I've been wondering for some time now why I could not use the 'easy way' syntax to join scraps with multiple passage connections to work. For example; join scrap1 scrap2 -count 4 My assumption was that the above would join scraps that connect in two locations - as in 4 wall joins required. Whenever I tried this I got a twisted looking passage as a result. The solution? Two passage connections should be coded as; join scrap1 scrap2 -count 2 Works much better now! The Therion Book entry could be clarified perhaps. Bruce