Inconsistent SELECT behaviour for pdf and xvi map output with background sketches..
In my th2 file I've got scraps with -sketch specified, and stations placed to enable warping/morphing of these background images. In th2 a map is defined (let's call it map_A) which includes the scraps I want. Then in .thconfig: select map_A layout morph scale 1 500 grid bottom grid-size 100 100 100 m sketches on grid off endlayout # Output plan in Therion pdf format export map \ -projection plan \ -format pdf\ -output map_A.pdf \ -layout morph # Output plan in Therion xvi format export map \ -projection plan \ -format xvi\ -output map_A.xvi\ -layout morph PDF output is as expected from the manual. It shows the background images attached to the scraps in the selected map, plus only the parts of the centreline that are used in those scraps. However if I change the export command to use XVI format, I get the background images and the centreline for the whole project, which contains over 20,000 stations. This is very difficult to use as it takes a long time for XTherion to load it, and then the area I'm interested in is tiny compared with the whole drawing area, so it requires quite a bit of zooming and scrolling to get there before I can start working. Am I right in thinking that the XVI output should contain the same bits of centreline as appear in the PDF output, rather than the whole lot? Am I missing something? Also: 'grid off' does not seem to affect the XVI output, which is why I've specified a fairly large grid size so that the grid isn't obscuring the sketches. I'd really like to be able to disable the grid in XVI completely. Is there a way to achieve these two things? Best regards, Duncan.
Duncan I think your experience is more or less consistent with that here https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion that I experimented with 4-5 years ago. One observation I made was that exporting a map to xvi actually produced something more akin to a model. In those pages I did not have any -sketch specified with the scraps, so I guess all Therion had to work with was the centreline (model). Although I don't think there is anything about on that wki page, I recall that xvi map exports are a bit 'scattergun' in that they do not respect the limits of the selected map. Maybe if a survey is selected rather than a map you may have better xvi control? Have a look at this table https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion, it may provide some insight. It may no longer be current, and there may have been mistakes in it from the start. Any feedback welcome. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Therion <therion-bounces@speleo.sk> On Behalf Of Duncan Collis via Therion Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:10 To: therion@speleo.sk Cc: Duncan Collis <duncan.collis@gmail.com> Subject: [Therion] Inconsistent SELECT behaviour for pdf and xvi map output with background sketches.. In my th2 file I've got scraps with -sketch specified, and stations placed to enable warping/morphing of these background images. In th2 a map is defined (let's call it map_A) which includes the scraps I want. Then in .thconfig: select map_A layout morph scale 1 500 grid bottom grid-size 100 100 100 m sketches on grid off endlayout # Output plan in Therion pdf format export map \ -projection plan \ -format pdf\ -output map_A.pdf \ -layout morph # Output plan in Therion xvi format export map \ -projection plan \ -format xvi\ -output map_A.xvi\ -layout morph PDF output is as expected from the manual. It shows the background images attached to the scraps in the selected map, plus only the parts of the centreline that are used in those scraps. However if I change the export command to use XVI format, I get the background images and the centreline for the whole project, which contains over 20,000 stations. This is very difficult to use as it takes a long time for XTherion to load it, and then the area I'm interested in is tiny compared with the whole drawing area, so it requires quite a bit of zooming and scrolling to get there before I can start working. Am I right in thinking that the XVI output should contain the same bits of centreline as appear in the PDF output, rather than the whole lot? Am I missing something? Also: 'grid off' does not seem to affect the XVI output, which is why I've specified a fairly large grid size so that the grid isn't obscuring the sketches. I'd really like to be able to disable the grid in XVI completely. Is there a way to achieve these two things? Best regards, Duncan. _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Hi, Bruce. Thanks for the reply. The wiki pages you linked were one of the most helpful resources when I was trying to get this to work, along with Marco Corvi's "Therion by Examples". I've tried selecting surveys, but when I do that I get an XVI file containing the centreline of the selected surveys, but no background sketches, even if I also select the map with the sketches in it. Changing the order of the select statements doesn't make any difference. I've also tried adding scrap outlines by drawing walls around the areas of interest in the th2 file in the vain hope that this would have some effect, but it did nothing. I've tried selecting scraps directly instead of maps, with the same result. I think that this has the potential to be a really useful feature, but unfortunately its current behaviour regarding inclusion of centreline makes it all but unusable in large projects. Best regards, Duncan. On 14/02/2019, Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
Duncan I think your experience is more or less consistent with that here https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion that I experimented with 4-5 years ago. One observation I made was that exporting a map to xvi actually produced something more akin to a model. In those pages I did not have any -sketch specified with the scraps, so I guess all Therion had to work with was the centreline (model). Although I don't think there is anything about on that wki page, I recall that xvi map exports are a bit 'scattergun' in that they do not respect the limits of the selected map. Maybe if a survey is selected rather than a map you may have better xvi control? Have a look at this table https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion, it may provide some insight. It may no longer be current, and there may have been mistakes in it from the start. Any feedback welcome.
Bruce
-----Original Message----- From: Therion <therion-bounces@speleo.sk> On Behalf Of Duncan Collis via Therion Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:10 To: therion@speleo.sk Cc: Duncan Collis <duncan.collis@gmail.com> Subject: [Therion] Inconsistent SELECT behaviour for pdf and xvi map output with background sketches..
In my th2 file I've got scraps with -sketch specified, and stations placed to enable warping/morphing of these background images.
In th2 a map is defined (let's call it map_A) which includes the scraps I want.
Then in .thconfig:
select map_A
layout morph scale 1 500 grid bottom grid-size 100 100 100 m sketches on grid off endlayout
# Output plan in Therion pdf format export map \ -projection plan \ -format pdf\ -output map_A.pdf \ -layout morph
# Output plan in Therion xvi format export map \ -projection plan \ -format xvi\ -output map_A.xvi\ -layout morph
PDF output is as expected from the manual. It shows the background images attached to the scraps in the selected map, plus only the parts of the centreline that are used in those scraps. However if I change the export command to use XVI format, I get the background images and the centreline for the whole project, which contains over 20,000 stations. This is very difficult to use as it takes a long time for XTherion to load it, and then the area I'm interested in is tiny compared with the whole drawing area, so it requires quite a bit of zooming and scrolling to get there before I can start working.
Am I right in thinking that the XVI output should contain the same bits of centreline as appear in the PDF output, rather than the whole lot? Am I missing something?
Also: 'grid off' does not seem to affect the XVI output, which is why I've specified a fairly large grid size so that the grid isn't obscuring the sketches. I'd really like to be able to disable the grid in XVI completely.
Is there a way to achieve these two things?
Best regards,
Duncan. _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
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To ability to export xvi as part of PDF output is long time on to-do list. The export of morphed sketches is part of exporting maps based on scraps or partial maps based on scraps, not exporting centerlines as defined in maps based on surveys. Martin
14. 2. 2019 v 7:56, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
Hi, Bruce.
Thanks for the reply. The wiki pages you linked were one of the most helpful resources when I was trying to get this to work, along with Marco Corvi's "Therion by Examples".
I've tried selecting surveys, but when I do that I get an XVI file containing the centreline of the selected surveys, but no background sketches, even if I also select the map with the sketches in it. Changing the order of the select statements doesn't make any difference. I've also tried adding scrap outlines by drawing walls around the areas of interest in the th2 file in the vain hope that this would have some effect, but it did nothing. I've tried selecting scraps directly instead of maps, with the same result.
I think that this has the potential to be a really useful feature, but unfortunately its current behaviour regarding inclusion of centreline makes it all but unusable in large projects.
Best regards, Duncan.
On 14/02/2019, Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
Duncan I think your experience is more or less consistent with that here https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion that I experimented with 4-5 years ago. One observation I made was that exporting a map to xvi actually produced something more akin to a model. In those pages I did not have any -sketch specified with the scraps, so I guess all Therion had to work with was the centreline (model). Although I don't think there is anything about on that wki page, I recall that xvi map exports are a bit 'scattergun' in that they do not respect the limits of the selected map. Maybe if a survey is selected rather than a map you may have better xvi control? Have a look at this table https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion, it may provide some insight. It may no longer be current, and there may have been mistakes in it from the start. Any feedback welcome.
Bruce
-----Original Message----- From: Therion <therion-bounces@speleo.sk> On Behalf Of Duncan Collis via Therion Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:10 To: therion@speleo.sk Cc: Duncan Collis <duncan.collis@gmail.com> Subject: [Therion] Inconsistent SELECT behaviour for pdf and xvi map output with background sketches..
In my th2 file I've got scraps with -sketch specified, and stations placed to enable warping/morphing of these background images.
In th2 a map is defined (let's call it map_A) which includes the scraps I want.
Then in .thconfig:
select map_A
layout morph scale 1 500 grid bottom grid-size 100 100 100 m sketches on grid off endlayout
# Output plan in Therion pdf format export map \ -projection plan \ -format pdf\ -output map_A.pdf \ -layout morph
# Output plan in Therion xvi format export map \ -projection plan \ -format xvi\ -output map_A.xvi\ -layout morph
PDF output is as expected from the manual. It shows the background images attached to the scraps in the selected map, plus only the parts of the centreline that are used in those scraps. However if I change the export command to use XVI format, I get the background images and the centreline for the whole project, which contains over 20,000 stations. This is very difficult to use as it takes a long time for XTherion to load it, and then the area I'm interested in is tiny compared with the whole drawing area, so it requires quite a bit of zooming and scrolling to get there before I can start working.
Am I right in thinking that the XVI output should contain the same bits of centreline as appear in the PDF output, rather than the whole lot? Am I missing something?
Also: 'grid off' does not seem to affect the XVI output, which is why I've specified a fairly large grid size so that the grid isn't obscuring the sketches. I'd really like to be able to disable the grid in XVI completely.
Is there a way to achieve these two things?
Best regards,
Duncan. _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
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Hi, Martin. Thanks for the quick response, but I'm afraid I'm not sure I completely follow your meaning. The map I'm trying to export *is* based on scraps. The problem is that I'm ending up with the centreline of the whole system in the XVI file rather than being limited to the scraps. If that is the expected behaviour then it's useful to know, as I can stop wasting time trying to get it to do something else, and can start thinking more about how to work around it - I already have an idea to write a script to strip parts of the centreline that I don't want out of the XVI file. Best regards, Duncan. On 14/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
To ability to export xvi as part of PDF output is long time on to-do list.
The export of morphed sketches is part of exporting maps based on scraps or partial maps based on scraps, not exporting centerlines as defined in maps based on surveys.
Martin
14. 2. 2019 v 7:56, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
Hi, Bruce.
Thanks for the reply. The wiki pages you linked were one of the most helpful resources when I was trying to get this to work, along with Marco Corvi's "Therion by Examples".
I've tried selecting surveys, but when I do that I get an XVI file containing the centreline of the selected surveys, but no background sketches, even if I also select the map with the sketches in it. Changing the order of the select statements doesn't make any difference. I've also tried adding scrap outlines by drawing walls around the areas of interest in the th2 file in the vain hope that this would have some effect, but it did nothing. I've tried selecting scraps directly instead of maps, with the same result.
I think that this has the potential to be a really useful feature, but unfortunately its current behaviour regarding inclusion of centreline makes it all but unusable in large projects.
Best regards, Duncan.
On 14/02/2019, Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
Duncan I think your experience is more or less consistent with that here https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion that I experimented with 4-5 years ago. One observation I made was that exporting a map to xvi actually produced something more akin to a model. In those pages I did not have any -sketch specified with the scraps, so I guess all Therion had to work with was the centreline (model). Although I don't think there is anything about on that wki page, I recall that xvi map exports are a bit 'scattergun' in that they do not respect the limits of the selected map. Maybe if a survey is selected rather than a map you may have better xvi control? Have a look at this table https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion, it may provide some insight. It may no longer be current, and there may have been mistakes in it from the start. Any feedback welcome.
Bruce
-----Original Message----- From: Therion <therion-bounces@speleo.sk> On Behalf Of Duncan Collis via Therion Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:10 To: therion@speleo.sk Cc: Duncan Collis <duncan.collis@gmail.com> Subject: [Therion] Inconsistent SELECT behaviour for pdf and xvi map output with background sketches..
In my th2 file I've got scraps with -sketch specified, and stations placed to enable warping/morphing of these background images.
In th2 a map is defined (let's call it map_A) which includes the scraps I want.
Then in .thconfig:
select map_A
layout morph scale 1 500 grid bottom grid-size 100 100 100 m sketches on grid off endlayout
# Output plan in Therion pdf format export map \ -projection plan \ -format pdf\ -output map_A.pdf \ -layout morph
# Output plan in Therion xvi format export map \ -projection plan \ -format xvi\ -output map_A.xvi\ -layout morph
PDF output is as expected from the manual. It shows the background images attached to the scraps in the selected map, plus only the parts of the centreline that are used in those scraps. However if I change the export command to use XVI format, I get the background images and the centreline for the whole project, which contains over 20,000 stations. This is very difficult to use as it takes a long time for XTherion to load it, and then the area I'm interested in is tiny compared with the whole drawing area, so it requires quite a bit of zooming and scrolling to get there before I can start working.
Am I right in thinking that the XVI output should contain the same bits of centreline as appear in the PDF output, rather than the whole lot? Am I missing something?
Also: 'grid off' does not seem to affect the XVI output, which is why I've specified a fairly large grid size so that the grid isn't obscuring the sketches. I'd really like to be able to disable the grid in XVI completely.
Is there a way to achieve these two things?
Best regards,
Duncan. _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
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Xvi is generated from centerlines in surveys. It has nothing together (till now) with scraps. So there is the problem. If you select only particular survey(s) it shoul generate only xvi fot that survey(s). Martin Odesláno z iPhonu 14. 2. 2019 v 12:39, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
Hi, Martin.
Thanks for the quick response, but I'm afraid I'm not sure I completely follow your meaning.
The map I'm trying to export *is* based on scraps. The problem is that I'm ending up with the centreline of the whole system in the XVI file rather than being limited to the scraps.
If that is the expected behaviour then it's useful to know, as I can stop wasting time trying to get it to do something else, and can start thinking more about how to work around it - I already have an idea to write a script to strip parts of the centreline that I don't want out of the XVI file.
Best regards,
Duncan.
On 14/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote: To ability to export xvi as part of PDF output is long time on to-do list.
The export of morphed sketches is part of exporting maps based on scraps or partial maps based on scraps, not exporting centerlines as defined in maps based on surveys.
Martin
14. 2. 2019 v 7:56, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
Hi, Bruce.
Thanks for the reply. The wiki pages you linked were one of the most helpful resources when I was trying to get this to work, along with Marco Corvi's "Therion by Examples".
I've tried selecting surveys, but when I do that I get an XVI file containing the centreline of the selected surveys, but no background sketches, even if I also select the map with the sketches in it. Changing the order of the select statements doesn't make any difference. I've also tried adding scrap outlines by drawing walls around the areas of interest in the th2 file in the vain hope that this would have some effect, but it did nothing. I've tried selecting scraps directly instead of maps, with the same result.
I think that this has the potential to be a really useful feature, but unfortunately its current behaviour regarding inclusion of centreline makes it all but unusable in large projects.
Best regards, Duncan.
On 14/02/2019, Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote: Duncan I think your experience is more or less consistent with that here https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion that I experimented with 4-5 years ago. One observation I made was that exporting a map to xvi actually produced something more akin to a model. In those pages I did not have any -sketch specified with the scraps, so I guess all Therion had to work with was the centreline (model). Although I don't think there is anything about on that wki page, I recall that xvi map exports are a bit 'scattergun' in that they do not respect the limits of the selected map. Maybe if a survey is selected rather than a map you may have better xvi control? Have a look at this table https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion, it may provide some insight. It may no longer be current, and there may have been mistakes in it from the start. Any feedback welcome.
Bruce
-----Original Message----- From: Therion <therion-bounces@speleo.sk> On Behalf Of Duncan Collis via Therion Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:10 To: therion@speleo.sk Cc: Duncan Collis <duncan.collis@gmail.com> Subject: [Therion] Inconsistent SELECT behaviour for pdf and xvi map output with background sketches..
In my th2 file I've got scraps with -sketch specified, and stations placed to enable warping/morphing of these background images.
In th2 a map is defined (let's call it map_A) which includes the scraps I want.
Then in .thconfig:
select map_A
layout morph scale 1 500 grid bottom grid-size 100 100 100 m sketches on grid off endlayout
# Output plan in Therion pdf format export map \ -projection plan \ -format pdf\ -output map_A.pdf \ -layout morph
# Output plan in Therion xvi format export map \ -projection plan \ -format xvi\ -output map_A.xvi\ -layout morph
PDF output is as expected from the manual. It shows the background images attached to the scraps in the selected map, plus only the parts of the centreline that are used in those scraps. However if I change the export command to use XVI format, I get the background images and the centreline for the whole project, which contains over 20,000 stations. This is very difficult to use as it takes a long time for XTherion to load it, and then the area I'm interested in is tiny compared with the whole drawing area, so it requires quite a bit of zooming and scrolling to get there before I can start working.
Am I right in thinking that the XVI output should contain the same bits of centreline as appear in the PDF output, rather than the whole lot? Am I missing something?
Also: 'grid off' does not seem to affect the XVI output, which is why I've specified a fairly large grid size so that the grid isn't obscuring the sketches. I'd really like to be able to disable the grid in XVI completely.
Is there a way to achieve these two things?
Best regards,
Duncan. _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
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Hi, Martin. Thanks for the clarification. That leads me to a final question: is it possible to select a particular survey and also get morphed sketches in the output XVI file? I've tried to do this without success, but maybe there's something I am missing? I've tried: select survey_1@system select survey_2@system and get an XVI file with centreline for survey_1 and survey_2 and no sketches. If I try: select map_A@system select survey_1@system select survey_2@system I still only get the centreline. Is this expected behaviour? Best regards, Duncan. On 14/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
Xvi is generated from centerlines in surveys. It has nothing together (till now) with scraps.
So there is the problem. If you select only particular survey(s) it shoul generate only xvi fot that survey(s).
Martin
Odesláno z iPhonu
14. 2. 2019 v 12:39, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
Hi, Martin.
Thanks for the quick response, but I'm afraid I'm not sure I completely follow your meaning.
The map I'm trying to export *is* based on scraps. The problem is that I'm ending up with the centreline of the whole system in the XVI file rather than being limited to the scraps.
If that is the expected behaviour then it's useful to know, as I can stop wasting time trying to get it to do something else, and can start thinking more about how to work around it - I already have an idea to write a script to strip parts of the centreline that I don't want out of the XVI file.
Best regards,
Duncan.
On 14/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote: To ability to export xvi as part of PDF output is long time on to-do list.
The export of morphed sketches is part of exporting maps based on scraps or partial maps based on scraps, not exporting centerlines as defined in maps based on surveys.
Martin
14. 2. 2019 v 7:56, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
Hi, Bruce.
Thanks for the reply. The wiki pages you linked were one of the most helpful resources when I was trying to get this to work, along with Marco Corvi's "Therion by Examples".
I've tried selecting surveys, but when I do that I get an XVI file containing the centreline of the selected surveys, but no background sketches, even if I also select the map with the sketches in it. Changing the order of the select statements doesn't make any difference. I've also tried adding scrap outlines by drawing walls around the areas of interest in the th2 file in the vain hope that this would have some effect, but it did nothing. I've tried selecting scraps directly instead of maps, with the same result.
I think that this has the potential to be a really useful feature, but unfortunately its current behaviour regarding inclusion of centreline makes it all but unusable in large projects.
Best regards, Duncan.
On 14/02/2019, Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote: Duncan I think your experience is more or less consistent with that here https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion that I experimented with 4-5 years ago. One observation I made was that exporting a map to xvi actually produced something more akin to a model. In those pages I did not have any -sketch specified with the scraps, so I guess all Therion had to work with was the centreline (model). Although I don't think there is anything about on that wki page, I recall that xvi map exports are a bit 'scattergun' in that they do not respect the limits of the selected map. Maybe if a survey is selected rather than a map you may have better xvi control? Have a look at this table https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion, it may provide some insight. It may no longer be current, and there may have been mistakes in it from the start. Any feedback welcome.
Bruce
-----Original Message----- From: Therion <therion-bounces@speleo.sk> On Behalf Of Duncan Collis via Therion Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:10 To: therion@speleo.sk Cc: Duncan Collis <duncan.collis@gmail.com> Subject: [Therion] Inconsistent SELECT behaviour for pdf and xvi map output with background sketches..
In my th2 file I've got scraps with -sketch specified, and stations placed to enable warping/morphing of these background images.
In th2 a map is defined (let's call it map_A) which includes the scraps I want.
Then in .thconfig:
select map_A
layout morph scale 1 500 grid bottom grid-size 100 100 100 m sketches on grid off endlayout
# Output plan in Therion pdf format export map \ -projection plan \ -format pdf\ -output map_A.pdf \ -layout morph
# Output plan in Therion xvi format export map \ -projection plan \ -format xvi\ -output map_A.xvi\ -layout morph
PDF output is as expected from the manual. It shows the background images attached to the scraps in the selected map, plus only the parts of the centreline that are used in those scraps. However if I change the export command to use XVI format, I get the background images and the centreline for the whole project, which contains over 20,000 stations. This is very difficult to use as it takes a long time for XTherion to load it, and then the area I'm interested in is tiny compared with the whole drawing area, so it requires quite a bit of zooming and scrolling to get there before I can start working.
Am I right in thinking that the XVI output should contain the same bits of centreline as appear in the PDF output, rather than the whole lot? Am I missing something?
Also: 'grid off' does not seem to affect the XVI output, which is why I've specified a fairly large grid size so that the grid isn't obscuring the sketches. I'd really like to be able to disable the grid in XVI completely.
Is there a way to achieve these two things?
Best regards,
Duncan. _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
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It is. I hope in the future it will be possible. Martin Sluka Odesláno z iPhonu 15. 2. 2019 v 2:19, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
Hi, Martin.
Thanks for the clarification. That leads me to a final question: is it possible to select a particular survey and also get morphed sketches in the output XVI file? I've tried to do this without success, but maybe there's something I am missing?
I've tried:
select survey_1@system select survey_2@system
and get an XVI file with centreline for survey_1 and survey_2 and no sketches.
If I try:
select map_A@system select survey_1@system select survey_2@system
I still only get the centreline. Is this expected behaviour?
Best regards, Duncan.
On 14/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote: Xvi is generated from centerlines in surveys. It has nothing together (till now) with scraps.
So there is the problem. If you select only particular survey(s) it shoul generate only xvi fot that survey(s).
Martin
Odesláno z iPhonu
14. 2. 2019 v 12:39, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
Hi, Martin.
Thanks for the quick response, but I'm afraid I'm not sure I completely follow your meaning.
The map I'm trying to export *is* based on scraps. The problem is that I'm ending up with the centreline of the whole system in the XVI file rather than being limited to the scraps.
If that is the expected behaviour then it's useful to know, as I can stop wasting time trying to get it to do something else, and can start thinking more about how to work around it - I already have an idea to write a script to strip parts of the centreline that I don't want out of the XVI file.
Best regards,
Duncan.
On 14/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote: To ability to export xvi as part of PDF output is long time on to-do list.
The export of morphed sketches is part of exporting maps based on scraps or partial maps based on scraps, not exporting centerlines as defined in maps based on surveys.
Martin
14. 2. 2019 v 7:56, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
Hi, Bruce.
Thanks for the reply. The wiki pages you linked were one of the most helpful resources when I was trying to get this to work, along with Marco Corvi's "Therion by Examples".
I've tried selecting surveys, but when I do that I get an XVI file containing the centreline of the selected surveys, but no background sketches, even if I also select the map with the sketches in it. Changing the order of the select statements doesn't make any difference. I've also tried adding scrap outlines by drawing walls around the areas of interest in the th2 file in the vain hope that this would have some effect, but it did nothing. I've tried selecting scraps directly instead of maps, with the same result.
I think that this has the potential to be a really useful feature, but unfortunately its current behaviour regarding inclusion of centreline makes it all but unusable in large projects.
Best regards, Duncan.
On 14/02/2019, Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote: Duncan I think your experience is more or less consistent with that here https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion that I experimented with 4-5 years ago. One observation I made was that exporting a map to xvi actually produced something more akin to a model. In those pages I did not have any -sketch specified with the scraps, so I guess all Therion had to work with was the centreline (model). Although I don't think there is anything about on that wki page, I recall that xvi map exports are a bit 'scattergun' in that they do not respect the limits of the selected map. Maybe if a survey is selected rather than a map you may have better xvi control? Have a look at this table https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion, it may provide some insight. It may no longer be current, and there may have been mistakes in it from the start. Any feedback welcome.
Bruce
-----Original Message----- From: Therion <therion-bounces@speleo.sk> On Behalf Of Duncan Collis via Therion Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:10 To: therion@speleo.sk Cc: Duncan Collis <duncan.collis@gmail.com> Subject: [Therion] Inconsistent SELECT behaviour for pdf and xvi map output with background sketches..
In my th2 file I've got scraps with -sketch specified, and stations placed to enable warping/morphing of these background images.
In th2 a map is defined (let's call it map_A) which includes the scraps I want.
Then in .thconfig:
select map_A
layout morph scale 1 500 grid bottom grid-size 100 100 100 m sketches on grid off endlayout
# Output plan in Therion pdf format export map \ -projection plan \ -format pdf\ -output map_A.pdf \ -layout morph
# Output plan in Therion xvi format export map \ -projection plan \ -format xvi\ -output map_A.xvi\ -layout morph
PDF output is as expected from the manual. It shows the background images attached to the scraps in the selected map, plus only the parts of the centreline that are used in those scraps. However if I change the export command to use XVI format, I get the background images and the centreline for the whole project, which contains over 20,000 stations. This is very difficult to use as it takes a long time for XTherion to load it, and then the area I'm interested in is tiny compared with the whole drawing area, so it requires quite a bit of zooming and scrolling to get there before I can start working.
Am I right in thinking that the XVI output should contain the same bits of centreline as appear in the PDF output, rather than the whole lot? Am I missing something?
Also: 'grid off' does not seem to affect the XVI output, which is why I've specified a fairly large grid size so that the grid isn't obscuring the sketches. I'd really like to be able to disable the grid in XVI completely.
Is there a way to achieve these two things?
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Hi, Martin. Thanks for the clarification. Best regards, Duncan. On 15/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
It is. I hope in the future it will be possible.
Martin Sluka
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15. 2. 2019 v 2:19, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
Hi, Martin.
Thanks for the clarification. That leads me to a final question: is it possible to select a particular survey and also get morphed sketches in the output XVI file? I've tried to do this without success, but maybe there's something I am missing?
I've tried:
select survey_1@system select survey_2@system
and get an XVI file with centreline for survey_1 and survey_2 and no sketches.
If I try:
select map_A@system select survey_1@system select survey_2@system
I still only get the centreline. Is this expected behaviour?
Best regards, Duncan.
On 14/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote: Xvi is generated from centerlines in surveys. It has nothing together (till now) with scraps.
So there is the problem. If you select only particular survey(s) it shoul generate only xvi fot that survey(s).
Martin
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14. 2. 2019 v 12:39, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
Hi, Martin.
Thanks for the quick response, but I'm afraid I'm not sure I completely follow your meaning.
The map I'm trying to export *is* based on scraps. The problem is that I'm ending up with the centreline of the whole system in the XVI file rather than being limited to the scraps.
If that is the expected behaviour then it's useful to know, as I can stop wasting time trying to get it to do something else, and can start thinking more about how to work around it - I already have an idea to write a script to strip parts of the centreline that I don't want out of the XVI file.
Best regards,
Duncan.
On 14/02/2019, Martin Sluka via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote: To ability to export xvi as part of PDF output is long time on to-do list.
The export of morphed sketches is part of exporting maps based on scraps or partial maps based on scraps, not exporting centerlines as defined in maps based on surveys.
Martin
14. 2. 2019 v 7:56, Duncan Collis via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>:
Hi, Bruce.
Thanks for the reply. The wiki pages you linked were one of the most helpful resources when I was trying to get this to work, along with Marco Corvi's "Therion by Examples".
I've tried selecting surveys, but when I do that I get an XVI file containing the centreline of the selected surveys, but no background sketches, even if I also select the map with the sketches in it. Changing the order of the select statements doesn't make any difference. I've also tried adding scrap outlines by drawing walls around the areas of interest in the th2 file in the vain hope that this would have some effect, but it did nothing. I've tried selecting scraps directly instead of maps, with the same result.
I think that this has the potential to be a really useful feature, but unfortunately its current behaviour regarding inclusion of centreline makes it all but unusable in large projects.
Best regards, Duncan.
> On 14/02/2019, Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion@speleo.sk> wrote: > Duncan > I think your experience is more or less consistent with that here > https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion that I > experimented > with 4-5 years ago. > One observation I made was that exporting a map to xvi actually > produced > something more akin to a model. In those pages I did not have any > -sketch > specified with the scraps, so I guess all Therion had to work with > was > the > centreline (model). > Although I don't think there is anything about on that wki page, I > recall > that xvi map exports are a bit 'scattergun' in that they do not > respect > the > limits of the selected map. > Maybe if a survey is selected rather than a map you may have better > xvi > control? > Have a look at this table > https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/outputs#map_xvi_therion, it may > provide > some > insight. It may no longer be current, and there may have been > mistakes > in > it from the start. Any feedback welcome. > > Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: Therion <therion-bounces@speleo.sk> On Behalf Of Duncan Collis > via > Therion > Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:10 > To: therion@speleo.sk > Cc: Duncan Collis <duncan.collis@gmail.com> > Subject: [Therion] Inconsistent SELECT behaviour for pdf and xvi map > output > with background sketches.. > > In my th2 file I've got scraps with -sketch specified, and stations > placed > to enable warping/morphing of these background images. > > In th2 a map is defined (let's call it map_A) which includes the > scraps > I > want. > > Then in .thconfig: > > select map_A > > layout morph > scale 1 500 > grid bottom > grid-size 100 100 100 m > sketches on > grid off > endlayout > > # Output plan in Therion pdf format > export map \ > -projection plan \ > -format pdf\ > -output map_A.pdf \ > -layout morph > > # Output plan in Therion xvi format > export map \ > -projection plan \ > -format xvi\ > -output map_A.xvi\ > -layout morph > > PDF output is as expected from the manual. It shows the background > images > attached to the scraps in the selected map, plus only the parts of > the > centreline that are used in those scraps. However if I change the > export > command to use XVI format, I get the background images and the > centreline > for the whole project, which contains over 20,000 stations. This is > very > difficult to use as it takes a long time for XTherion to load it, and > then > the area I'm interested in is tiny compared with the whole drawing > area, > so > it requires quite a bit of zooming and scrolling to get there before > I > can > start working. > > Am I right in thinking that the XVI output should contain the same > bits > of > centreline as appear in the PDF output, rather than the whole lot? Am > I > missing something? > > Also: 'grid off' does not seem to affect the XVI output, which is why > I've > specified a fairly large grid size so that the grid isn't obscuring > the > sketches. I'd really like to be able to disable the grid in XVI > completely. > > Is there a way to achieve these two things? > > Best regards, > > Duncan. > _______________________________________________ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > > _______________________________________________ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
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