Hi all, After lots of trial and error I am now producing some good outputs of individual caves but now I have hit a wall. I believe I'm not getting the data management correct. Here's what I do, I have a folder for the area/system in that folder I have other folders for the individual caves; this is where my Top Parser produced th2 .th and config files first landed. I also have all the Therion produced outputs in these files. So far so good I think. All works well, good outputs from pdf's to kml's. Now I want to produce a pdf of the area/system using these separate caves but try as hard as I may I'm just not succeeding. I have read all the stuff on the wiki over and over and checked back though this mailing list but all my attempts at this output have failed. Next plan of attack was to look at other people's data in the Cave Registry Data Archive which helped and I now see how the .th and config files should look but I am still missing something some where. I keep seeing snatches of info about index files but can find no definitive instruction on how to use them. I realise this problem probable has a simple solution and given enough time I am sure I can work it out but life's too short to dick about for hours especially when someone out there has the answer. Also I have a deadline looming on some of these maps and I'm now getting a bit worried I will not make it. Any help would be appreciated and if anyone in the Yorkshire area wants to compare notes (I'm sure that there are more numptys like me out there) I will travel and bring beer. Nick.
There could be many problems stopping output. Also I use a variation on what Therion recommends, partial due to the change to paperless surveying, but I guess everyone does. To solve this without a long series of guesses, could we see the data, is it in the registry? Then let us know which you can compile and which you cannot but want to. Andrew On 18 Aug 2015 4:02 pm, "Nick Bairstow" <Nick@pff.uk.com> wrote:
Hi all,
After lots of trial and error I am now producing some good outputs of individual caves but now I have hit a wall. I believe I’m not getting the data management correct.
Here’s what I do, I have a folder for the area/system in that folder I have other folders for the individual caves; this is where my Top Parser produced th2 .th and config files first landed. I also have all the Therion produced outputs in these files.
So far so good I think. All works well, good outputs from pdf’s to kml’s. Now I want to produce a pdf of the area/system using these separate caves but try as hard as I may I’m just not succeeding.
I have read all the stuff on the wiki over and over and checked back though this mailing list but all my attempts at this output have failed. Next plan of attack was to look at other people’s data in the Cave Registry Data Archive which helped and I now see how the .th and config files should look but I am still missing something some where.
I keep seeing snatches of info about index files but can find no definitive instruction on how to use them.
I realise this problem probable has a simple solution and given enough time I am sure I can work it out but life’s too short to dick about for hours especially when someone out there has the answer. Also I have a deadline looming on some of these maps and I’m now getting a bit worried I will not make it.
Any help would be appreciated and if anyone in the Yorkshire area wants to compare notes (I’m sure that there are more numptys like me out there) I will travel and bring beer.
Nick.
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Therion work strictly in name-spaces. It means it has to know the path to any object you want it should use. My way is to input .th2 file to same level or trip survey-endsurvey. The same with definition of base map of that piece of cave. Main advantage is I don't need to edit station names in scraps later. In higher levels I just input particular .th file. When defining higher level maps I call scraps with path to base level survey. cave_1.th: survey survey_1 centerline ... endcenterline input cave_1.th2 map survey_1.map survey_1_scrap_1 survey_1_scrap_2 survey_1_scrap_3 endmap endsurvey cave_2.th: survey survey_2 centerline ... endcenterline input cave_2.th2 map survey_2.map survey_2_scrap_1 survey_2_scrap_2 endmap endsurvey cave_1+2.th: survey survey_1+2 input cave_1.th input cave_2.th map survey_1+2_from_maps.map survey_1.map@survey_1 survey_2.map@survey_2 endmap map survey_1+2_from_scraps.map survey_1_scrap_1@survey_1 survey_1_scrap_2@survey_1 survey_1_scrap_3@survey_1 survey_2_scrap_1@survey_1 survey_2_scrap_2@survey_1 endmap map survey_1+2_only_two_scraps.map survey_1_scrap_1@survey_1 survey_2_scrap_2@survey_1 endmap endsurvey etc. m.s. On Aug 18, 2015, at 05:02 PM, Nick Bairstow <Nick@pff.uk.com> wrote:
Hi all,
After lots of trial and error I am now producing some good outputs of individual caves but now I have hit a wall. I believe I’m not getting the data management correct.
Here’s what I do, I have a folder for the area/system in that folder I have other folders for the individual caves; this is where my Top Parser produced th2 .th and config files first landed. I also have all the Therion produced outputs in these files.
So far so good I think. All works well, good outputs from pdf’s to kml’s. Now I want to produce a pdf of the area/system using these separate caves but try as hard as I may I’m just not succeeding.
I have read all the stuff on the wiki over and over and checked back though this mailing list but all my attempts at this output have failed. Next plan of attack was to look at other people’s data in the Cave Registry Data Archive which helped and I now see how the .th and config files should look but I am still missing something some where.
I keep seeing snatches of info about index files but can find no definitive instruction on how to use them.
I realise this problem probable has a simple solution and given enough time I am sure I can work it out but life’s too short to dick about for hours especially when someone out there has the answer. Also I have a deadline looming on some of these maps and I’m now getting a bit worried I will not make it.
Any help would be appreciated and if anyone in the Yorkshire area wants to compare notes (I’m sure that there are more numptys like me out there) I will travel and bring beer.
Nick.
hello, I have successfully created an area PDF for the 70+ caves in my area of interest in Australia, using Therion.Can you give more details of what your result is giving? eg is an error being displayed, can you produce a .3d file or .lox file of the survey legs, are you able to see a pdf created that is missing data? ----- Original Message ----- From: "List for Therion users" To:"List for Therion users" Cc: Sent:Tue, 18 Aug 2015 16:01:45 +0100 Subject:[Therion] Data Management Hi all, After lots of trial and error I am now producing some good outputs of individual caves but now I have hit a wall. I believe I’m not getting the data management correct. Here’s what I do, I have a folder for the area/system in that folder I have other folders for the individual caves; this is where my Top Parser produced th2 .th and config files first landed. I also have all the Therion produced outputs in these files. So far so good I think. All works well, good outputs from pdf’s to kml’s. Now I want to produce a pdf of the area/system using these separate caves but try as hard as I may I’m just not succeeding. I have read all the stuff on the wiki over and over and checked back though this mailing list but all my attempts at this output have failed. Next plan of attack was to look at other people’s data in the Cave Registry Data Archive which helped and I now see how the .th and config files should look but I am still missing something some where. I keep seeing snatches of info about index files but can find no definitive instruction on how to use them. I realise this problem probable has a simple solution and given enough time I am sure I can work it out but life’s too short to dick about for hours especially when someone out there has the answer. Also I have a deadline looming on some of these maps and I’m now getting a bit worried I will not make it. Any help would be appreciated and if anyone in the Yorkshire area wants to compare notes (I’m sure that there are more numptys like me out there) I will travel and bring beer. Nick.
Nick, thbook: • -d ▷ Turn on debugging mode. The current implementation creates a temporary directory named thTMPDIR (in your system temporary directory) and does not delete any temporary files. may you run therion with -d parameter and check the files inside the folder thTMPDIR? May you send me both the log from therion and that folder thTMPDIR zipped? m.
19. 8. 2015 v 5:20, rowena_l@tpg.com.au:
hello,
I have successfully created an area PDF for the 70+ caves in my area of interest in Australia, using Therion. Can you give more details of what your result is giving? eg is an error being displayed, can you produce a .3d file or .lox file of the survey legs, are you able to see a pdf created that is missing data?
----- Original Message ----- From: "List for Therion users" <therion@speleo.sk>
To: "List for Therion users" <therion@speleo.sk> Cc:
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 16:01:45 +0100 Subject: [Therion] Data Management
Hi all,
After lots of trial and error I am now producing some good outputs of individual caves but now I have hit a wall. I believe I’m not getting the data management correct.
Here’s what I do, I have a folder for the area/system in that folder I have other folders for the individual caves; this is where my Top Parser produced th2 .th and config files first landed. I also have all the Therion produced outputs in these files.
So far so good I think. All works well, good outputs from pdf’s to kml’s. Now I want to produce a pdf of the area/system using these separate caves but try as hard as I may I’m just not succeeding.
I have read all the stuff on the wiki over and over and checked back though this mailing list but all my attempts at this output have failed. Next plan of attack was to look at other people’s data in the Cave Registry Data Archive which helped and I now see how the .th and config files should look but I am still missing something some where.
I keep seeing snatches of info about index files but can find no definitive instruction on how to use them.
I realise this problem probable has a simple solution and given enough time I am sure I can work it out but life’s too short to dick about for hours especially when someone out there has the answer. Also I have a deadline looming on some of these maps and I’m now getting a bit worried I will not make it.
Any help would be appreciated and if anyone in the Yorkshire area wants to compare notes (I’m sure that there are more numptys like me out there) I will travel and bring beer.
Nick.
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Andrew, Martin, Rowena, Thanks for the replies. What I clearly don’t understand are the basic building blocks of Therion, folder structures etc Dave C has kindly offered to look at my stuff and advise so hopefully I will sort this out soon. I suspect I am at a point that a lot of folk get to in their Therion leaning curve so once I get my head round this I may write a wiki article about this from a novice point of view. It really should be a continuation of Footlegs excellent tutorial which I have referred to many times over the last few months. Andrew, files will be in the registry by the end of the day I promises. Thanks once again all Nick. ________________________________ From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Martin Sluka Sent: 19 August 2015 08:38 To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management Nick, thbook: • -d ▷ Turn on debugging mode. The current implementation creates a temporary directory named thTMPDIR (in your system temporary directory) and does not delete any temporary files. may you run therion with -d parameter and check the files inside the folder thTMPDIR? May you send me both the log from therion and that folder thTMPDIR zipped? m. 19. 8. 2015 v 5:20, rowena_l@tpg.com.au<mailto:rowena_l@tpg.com.au>: hello, I have successfully created an area PDF for the 70+ caves in my area of interest in Australia, using Therion. Can you give more details of what your result is giving? eg is an error being displayed, can you produce a .3d file or .lox file of the survey legs, are you able to see a pdf created that is missing data? ----- Original Message ----- From: "List for Therion users" <therion@speleo.sk<mailto:therion@speleo.sk>> To: "List for Therion users" <therion@speleo.sk<mailto:therion@speleo.sk>> Cc: Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 16:01:45 +0100 Subject: [Therion] Data Management Hi all, After lots of trial and error I am now producing some good outputs of individual caves but now I have hit a wall. I believe I’m not getting the data management correct. Here’s what I do, I have a folder for the area/system in that folder I have other folders for the individual caves; this is where my Top Parser produced th2 .th and config files first landed. I also have all the Therion produced outputs in these files. So far so good I think. All works well, good outputs from pdf’s to kml’s. Now I want to produce a pdf of the area/system using these separate caves but try as hard as I may I’m just not succeeding. I have read all the stuff on the wiki over and over and checked back though this mailing list but all my attempts at this output have failed. Next plan of attack was to look at other people’s data in the Cave Registry Data Archive which helped and I now see how the .th and config files should look but I am still missing something some where. I keep seeing snatches of info about index files but can find no definitive instruction on how to use them. I realise this problem probable has a simple solution and given enough time I am sure I can work it out but life’s too short to dick about for hours especially when someone out there has the answer. Also I have a deadline looming on some of these maps and I’m now getting a bit worried I will not make it. Any help would be appreciated and if anyone in the Yorkshire area wants to compare notes (I’m sure that there are more numptys like me out there) I will travel and bring beer. Nick. _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk<mailto:Therion@speleo.sk> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
Please do let us know what you figure out. Martin helped me figure out how to have my surveys in a sub-folder of my main survey, but so far I'm only doing one cave. Would like to hear how to add the other area caves to the same output. Adam Sampson(502)509-5066caver.adam@outlook.comwww.kentuckykarstconservancy.com From: Nick@pff.uk.com To: therion@speleo.sk Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:31:32 +0100 Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management Andrew, Martin, Rowena, Thanks for the replies. What I clearly don’t understand are the basic building blocks of Therion, folder structures etc Dave C has kindly offered to look at my stuff and advise so hopefully I will sort this out soon. I suspect I am at a point that a lot of folk get to in their Therion leaning curve so once I get my head round this I may write a wiki article about this from a novice point of view. It really should be a continuation of Footlegs excellent tutorial which I have referred to many times over the last few months. Andrew, files will be in the registry by the end of the day I promises. Thanks once again all Nick. From: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Martin Sluka Sent: 19 August 2015 08:38 To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Data Management Nick, thbook: • -d ▷ Turn on debugging mode. The current implementation creates a temporary directory named thTMPDIR (in your system temporary directory) and does not delete any temporary files. may you run therion with -d parameter and check the files inside the folder thTMPDIR? May you send me both the log from therion and that folder thTMPDIR zipped? m. 19. 8. 2015 v 5:20, rowena_l@tpg.com.au: hello, I have successfully created an area PDF for the 70+ caves in my area of interest in Australia, using Therion. Can you give more details of what your result is giving? eg is an error being displayed, can you produce a .3d file or .lox file of the survey legs, are you able to see a pdf created that is missing data? ----- Original Message ----- From: "List for Therion users" <therion@speleo.sk> To: "List for Therion users" <therion@speleo.sk> Cc: Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 16:01:45 +0100 Subject: [Therion] Data Management Hi all, After lots of trial and error I am now producing some good outputs of individual caves but now I have hit a wall. I believe I’m not getting the data management correct. Here’s what I do, I have a folder for the area/system in that folder I have other folders for the individual caves; this is where my Top Parser produced th2 .th and config files first landed. I also have all the Therion produced outputs in these files. So far so good I think. All works well, good outputs from pdf’s to kml’s. Now I want to produce a pdf of the area/system using these separate caves but try as hard as I may I’m just not succeeding. I have read all the stuff on the wiki over and over and checked back though this mailing list but all my attempts at this output have failed. Next plan of attack was to look at other people’s data in the Cave Registry Data Archive which helped and I now see how the .th and config files should look but I am still missing something some where. I keep seeing snatches of info about index files but can find no definitive instruction on how to use them. I realise this problem probable has a simple solution and given enough time I am sure I can work it out but life’s too short to dick about for hours especially when someone out there has the answer. Also I have a deadline looming on some of these maps and I’m now getting a bit worried I will not make it. Any help would be appreciated and if anyone in the Yorkshire area wants to compare notes (I’m sure that there are more numptys like me out there) I will travel and bring beer. Nick. _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
Thanks for the replies. What I clearly don’t understand are the basic building blocks of Therion, folder structures etc
Nick, the folders structure is not so important if you use correct .th file paths for input command. I use input xxx.th2 only on base level of surveys. If I need to use a scrap from a .th2 file I use the full addres of such scrap: to call from overall survey named "survey_of_big_country" where it is inputted file <big_mountains.th> with survey "survey_big_mountains" in it only "scrap1" from file <cave1.th2> inputted in file <cave1.th> in "survey1" I use such address: scrap1@survey1.survey1+2.survey_big_passage.survey_big_system.survey_big_plateau.survey_big_mountains Probably this could be more clear how therion is looking for data. m.s.
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