I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies: So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before. I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On Station. I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad? A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good waterproof cases? Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it. If price was not a factor what set up would you use? Thanks
That's a big question. 1rst, let's talk topodroid versus pockettopo. Topodroid draws the tick marks for you, but has a slight learning curve. It doesn't integrate perfectly into therion but I can help with some of the issues it has. And Marco is really responsive in fixing problems. Topodroid is simpler, but you draw on it just like on a pad of paper. I haven't found an iPad solution. 2nd let's talk tablets. My biggest consideration was what type of stylus. Capacitive stylus are ok, but the lines don't match up perfectly. The nvidia shield or similar tablet (which I am trying to review in the next couple months) can use a #2 pencil. Then there are tablets like the surface of the galaxy note that use a Wacom stylus and are very accurate. I suggest you might try them out at your local electronics store to see which stylus you like. As for waterproof...depends how wet your caves are. I use a waterproof case I got off amazon for $15...but I don't ever submerge it. I just need to protect from the occasional drip. Adam _____________________________ From: Rob Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 7:42 PM Subject: [Therion] Best caving tablet To: List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk> I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies: So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before. I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On Station. I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad? A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good waterproof cases? Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it. If price was not a factor what set up would you use? Thanks _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
I made a typo. Pockettopo is simpler in programming. You just draw exactly what you want. Topodroid automates the drawing of dashes and tick marks and makes your drawing in the cave neater. On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:30 PM -0700, "Adam Sampson" <caver.adam@outlook.com> wrote: That's a big question. 1rst, let's talk topodroid versus pockettopo. Topodroid draws the tick marks for you, but has a slight learning curve. It doesn't integrate perfectly into therion but I can help with some of the issues it has. And Marco is really responsive in fixing problems. Topodroid is simpler, but you draw on it just like on a pad of paper. I haven't found an iPad solution. 2nd let's talk tablets. My biggest consideration was what type of stylus. Capacitive stylus are ok, but the lines don't match up perfectly. The nvidia shield or similar tablet (which I am trying to review in the next couple months) can use a #2 pencil. Then there are tablets like the surface of the galaxy note that use a Wacom stylus and are very accurate. I suggest you might try them out at your local electronics store to see which stylus you like. As for waterproof...depends how wet your caves are. I use a waterproof case I got off amazon for $15...but I don't ever submerge it. I just need to protect from the occasional drip. Adam _____________________________ From: Rob Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 7:42 PM Subject: [Therion] Best caving tablet To: List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk> I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies: So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before. I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On Station. I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad? A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good waterproof cases? Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it. If price was not a factor what set up would you use? Thanks _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
Hi, I`am using an old Asus 696 PDA with Wmobil 6 and of course pockettopo. It works very well. Once I have lost the original pencil in the cave and I couldn`t find it anymore. It was not so easy, but the surveying on that day was made with my fingernail ☺. A replacement for the original was found quick and very cheap. BTW, I have now a second pencil in my small case and both have got a tiny hole for a thread. Other members have tried out some android apps. But as I have seen (2014) there was no app which was able to kalibrate/justify the DistoX. But that is not really a problem, I think. Regards Markus Von: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] Im Auftrag von Rob Countess (External) Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2015 01:36 An: List for Therion users Betreff: [Therion] Best caving tablet I posted this on cave chat.org<http://chat.org> but no replies: So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before. I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On Station. I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad? A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good waterproof cases? Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it. If price was not a factor what set up would you use? Thanks This message is intended solely for the designated recipient(s). It may contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to attorney-client privilege or other confidentiality protections. If you are not a designated recipient you may not review, copy or distribute this message. If you receive this in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you. Diese Nachricht ist nur für vorgesehene Empfänger bestimmt. Die Nachricht kann vertrauliche oder persönliche Informationen enthalten und kann datenschutzrechtlichen Bestimmungen unterliegen. Wenn Sie kein vorgesehener Empfänger dieser Nachricht sind, ist es Ihnen untersagt, die darin enthaltenen Informationen einzusehen, zu vervielfältigen und zu veröffentlichen. Sollten Sie diese Nachricht versehentlich erhalten, bitten wir Sie, den Sender zu informieren, indem Sie auf diese Nachricht antworten und die Nachricht dann löschen. Vielen Dank.
TopoDroid is able to calibrate DistoX. The calibration routine is identical with PocketTopo I think. If price is not a problem (and weight) there are Panasonic army grade tablets with Windows and digitizer screen. Odesláno z iPhonu 15. 9. 2015 v 9:40, Markus Boldt <markus.boldt@ratiopharm.de>:
Hi, I`am using an old Asus 696 PDA with Wmobil 6 and of course pockettopo. It works very well. Once I have lost the original pencil in the cave and I couldn`t find it anymore. It was not so easy, but the surveying on that day was made with my fingernail J. A replacement for the original was found quick and very cheap. BTW, I have now a second pencil in my small case and both have got a tiny hole for a thread. Other members have tried out some android apps. But as I have seen (2014) there was no app which was able to kalibrate/justify the DistoX. But that is not really a problem, I think. Regards Markus Von: therion-bounces@speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk] Im Auftrag von Rob Countess (External) Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2015 01:36 An: List for Therion users Betreff: [Therion] Best caving tablet
I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:
So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.
I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On Station.
I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad?
A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good waterproof cases?
Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.
If price was not a factor what set up would you use?
Thanks
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I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case (Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery (allowing larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd hand via eBay). Footleg On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com> wrote:
I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:
So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.
I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On Station.
I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad?
A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good waterproof cases?
Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.
If price was not a factor what set up would you use?
Thanks _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
Me too. M. Odesláno z iPhonu 15. 9. 2015 v 10:52, Footleg <drfootleg@gmail.com>:
I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case (Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery (allowing larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd hand via eBay).
Footleg
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com> wrote: I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:
So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.
I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On Station.
I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad?
A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good waterproof cases?
Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.
If price was not a factor what set up would you use?
Thanks _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
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FYI, you can use Andy from andyroid.net to emulate android on a PC if you want to try out topodroid. However, the emulator can't use Bluetooth. So you have to disable/deny Bluetooth and enter everything manually. Still a cheap way to try out the program. On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:43 AM -0700, "Martin Sluka" <martinsluka@mac.com> wrote: Me too. M. Odesláno z iPhonu 15. 9. 2015 v 10:52, Footleg <drfootleg@gmail.com>:
I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case (Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery (allowing larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd hand via eBay).
Footleg
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com> wrote: I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:
So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.
I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On Station.
I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad?
A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good waterproof cases?
Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.
If price was not a factor what set up would you use?
Thanks _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
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Thanks Adam! I will definitely try Andy and Topodroid. On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Adam Sampson <caver.adam@outlook.com> wrote:
FYI, you can use Andy from andyroid.net to emulate android on a PC if you want to try out topodroid. However, the emulator can't use Bluetooth. So you have to disable/deny Bluetooth and enter everything manually. Still a cheap way to try out the program.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:43 AM -0700, "Martin Sluka" <martinsluka@mac.com
wrote:
Me too.
M.
Odesláno z iPhonu
15. 9. 2015 v 10:52, Footleg <drfootleg@gmail.com>:
I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case (Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery (allowing larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd hand via eBay).
Footleg
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com> wrote:
I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:
So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.
I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On Station.
I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad?
A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good waterproof cases?
Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.
If price was not a factor what set up would you use?
Thanks _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
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http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_xplore_xslate_b10.html I'm thinking of this: XSlate B10. Has wacom digitizer. They also make smaller android model. Any thoughts? On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Adam Sampson <caver.adam@outlook.com> wrote:
FYI, you can use Andy from andyroid.net to emulate android on a PC if you want to try out topodroid. However, the emulator can't use Bluetooth. So you have to disable/deny Bluetooth and enter everything manually. Still a cheap way to try out the program.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:43 AM -0700, "Martin Sluka" <martinsluka@mac.com
wrote:
Me too.
M.
Odesláno z iPhonu
15. 9. 2015 v 10:52, Footleg <drfootleg@gmail.com>:
I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case (Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery (allowing larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd hand via eBay).
Footleg
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess <rob.countess@gmail.com> wrote:
I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:
So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.
I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On Station.
I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad?
A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good waterproof cases?
Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.
If price was not a factor what set up would you use?
Thanks _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
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I have a asus vivo tab/not 8 tablet, which I just find too big for cave surveying, which I feel will be a problem with the one below. I think that you need to be able to hold it on one hand while caving, which for me makes a 6inch tablet probably the biggest, but I have not got round to buying one as yet. The vivo although it has a wacom tablet built in, I am not very impressed with the accuracy, even after going through the 100+ point calibration, gone back to my dell axim, Andrew On 15/09/15 20:50, Rob Countess wrote:
http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_xplore_xslate_b10.html
I'm thinking of this: XSlate B10. Has wacom digitizer. They also make smaller android model. Any thoughts?
I would agree that the 'hold in one hand' size of a PDA is a big plus. You need to be able to cave with the device in your hand, and unless you only survey large walking passages with flat floors you will appreciate something that you can climb around the cave while holding in one hand. Also makes packing the device for transportation through crawls and awkward entrance series much easier. I am often surveying 3 hours from an entrance and having a light weight compact kit means it always gets taken on exploration trips in case we make a break through. So we often leave the cave with data on the trip where a discovery was made. Footleg On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:13 PM Andrew Atkinson <andrew@wotcc.org.uk> wrote:
I have a asus vivo tab/not 8 tablet, which I just find too big for cave surveying, which I feel will be a problem with the one below. I think that you need to be able to hold it on one hand while caving, which for me makes a 6inch tablet probably the biggest, but I have not got round to buying one as yet. The vivo although it has a wacom tablet built in, I am not very impressed with the accuracy, even after going through the 100+ point calibration, gone back to my dell axim,
Andrew
On 15/09/15 20:50, Rob Countess wrote:
http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_xplore_xslate_b10.html
I'm thinking of this: XSlate B10. Has wacom digitizer. They also make smaller android model. Any thoughts?
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I have thought about using my 7” asus tablet which is about as large as I can hold in one hand. Its worth looking as Sexy Topo (an Android version of PocketTopo). But I still go back to my ruggedised version of the Fujitsu Siemans Pocket Loox N560. An RPDA with IP65 protection, or semi rugged EDA version, Ebay from about £20. The EDA needs some extra protection but thats not too hard to do. While these windows mobile PDA’s are so cheap, they seem to be the answer until rugged tablets get to a sensible price. John S From: Footleg Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 6:08 PM To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Best caving tablet I would agree that the 'hold in one hand' size of a PDA is a big plus. You need to be able to cave with the device in your hand, and unless you only survey large walking passages with flat floors you will appreciate something that you can climb around the cave while holding in one hand. Also makes packing the device for transportation through crawls and awkward entrance series much easier. I am often surveying 3 hours from an entrance and having a light weight compact kit means it always gets taken on exploration trips in case we make a break through. So we often leave the cave with data on the trip where a discovery was made. Footleg On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:13 PM Andrew Atkinson <andrew@wotcc.org.uk> wrote: I have a asus vivo tab/not 8 tablet, which I just find too big for cave surveying, which I feel will be a problem with the one below. I think that you need to be able to hold it on one hand while caving, which for me makes a 6inch tablet probably the biggest, but I have not got round to buying one as yet. The vivo although it has a wacom tablet built in, I am not very impressed with the accuracy, even after going through the 100+ point calibration, gone back to my dell axim, Andrew On 15/09/15 20:50, Rob Countess wrote:
http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_xplore_xslate_b10.html
I'm thinking of this: XSlate B10. Has wacom digitizer. They also make smaller android model. Any thoughts?
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I'm using a 7" tablet. But I have it in a waterproof soft case (silicone?) and I have a 4" battery charger (10,000maH) in the case with the tablet. The battery charger makes a great handle actually. On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:45 AM -0700, "John Stevens" <john@k-stevens.co.uk> wrote: I have thought about using my 7” asus tablet which is about as large as I can hold in one hand. Its worth looking as Sexy Topo (an Android version of PocketTopo). But I still go back to my ruggedised version of the Fujitsu Siemans Pocket Loox N560. An RPDA with IP65 protection, or semi rugged EDA version, Ebay from about £20. The EDA needs some extra protection but thats not too hard to do. While these windows mobile PDA’s are so cheap, they seem to be the answer until rugged tablets get to a sensible price. John S From: Footleg Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 6:08 PM To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Best caving tablet I would agree that the 'hold in one hand' size of a PDA is a big plus. You need to be able to cave with the device in your hand, and unless you only survey large walking passages with flat floors you will appreciate something that you can climb around the cave while holding in one hand. Also makes packing the device for transportation through crawls and awkward entrance series much easier. I am often surveying 3 hours from an entrance and having a light weight compact kit means it always gets taken on exploration trips in case we make a break through. So we often leave the cave with data on the trip where a discovery was made. Footleg On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:13 PM Andrew Atkinson <andrew@wotcc.org.uk> wrote: I have a asus vivo tab/not 8 tablet, which I just find too big for cave surveying, which I feel will be a problem with the one below. I think that you need to be able to hold it on one hand while caving, which for me makes a 6inch tablet probably the biggest, but I have not got round to buying one as yet. The vivo although it has a wacom tablet built in, I am not very impressed with the accuracy, even after going through the 100+ point calibration, gone back to my dell axim, Andrew On 15/09/15 20:50, Rob Countess wrote:
http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_xplore_xslate_b10.html
I'm thinking of this: XSlate B10. Has wacom digitizer. They also make smaller android model. Any thoughts?
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A bit delayed, but here is the setup that I use. My tablet is an 8" Samsung Note 8. Not very compact, but it is very nice for drawing due to the larger screen. It is as large as an A5 piece of paper, so I didn't find the switch from paper drawing cumbersome. It can be held in one hand while surveying, although when I climb or do lots of crawling it goes in the bag. What I like about this model is that it supports a Wacom pen, which is much more accurate than using the finger or a capacitive stylus. A 6" or 7" might be nice too. I tried a 4" smartphone too. It is fine for collecting the measurements and rough sketches, but since I work with Topodroid I prefer to draw as detailed as possible in the cave and only do minor corrections later in Therion. I have attached a few images of the packing that I use. The tablet goes in a waterproof pocket. The Disto also has a clear case, which protects the keyboard and lenses from mud, but is not waterproof. In most cases I use the black Wacom stylus in the picture. It is not waterproof, but it hasn't failed yet despite getting wet a few times and replacements are not expensive. When I don't use it it goes in the small plastic tube. There is also a small bluish capacitive pen for muddy or very wet caves, but it is not that accurate. The yellow bag has rigid plastic inserts at both sides ot the tablet pocket(the one in the back) that protect it from impacts and being bent. The front pocket contains the Disto, pens, some station marking stuff, etc. Overal I find the whole package light and easy to cary in most cases except the most muddy or narrow crawls. Other combinations might work even better, but I still haven't tried so many to compare. Best Vladimir ----- Цитат от Footleg (drfootleg@gmail.com), на 16.09.2015 в 20:08 ----- I would agree that the 'hold in one hand' size of a PDA is a big plus. You need to be able to cave with the device in your hand, and unless you only survey large walking passages with flat floors you will appreciate something that you can climb around the cave while holding in one hand. Also makes packing the device for transportation through crawls and awkward entrance series much easier. I am often surveying 3 hours from an entrance and having a light weight compact kit means it always gets taken on exploration trips in case we make a break through. So we often leave the cave with data on the trip where a discovery was made. Footleg On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:13 PM Andrew Atkinson wrote: I have a asus vivo tab/not 8 tablet, which I just find too big for cave surveying, which I feel will be a problem with the one below. I think that you need to be able to hold it on one hand while caving, which for me makes a 6inch tablet probably the biggest, but I have not got round to buying one as yet. The vivo although it has a wacom tablet built in, I am not very impressed with the accuracy, even after going through the 100+ point calibration, gone back to my dell axim, Andrew On 15/09/15 20:50, Rob Countess wrote:
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