From andrew@wotcc.org.uk Wed Mar 23 20:38:05 2011
From: Andrew Atkinson <andrew@wotcc.org.uk>
To: therion@speleo.sk
Subject: [Therion] data style problem
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:14:34 +0000
Message-ID: <4D8A54AA.5070704@wotcc.org.uk>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7219595277033806020=="

--===============7219595277033806020==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

The Therion book p20 has this

data <style> <readings order> ◃ set data style (normal, topofil, diving, 
cartesian,
cylpolar, dimensions, nosurvey) and readings order. Reading is one of 
the following
keywords: station, from, to, tape/length, [back]compass/[back]bearing, 
[back]clino/
[back]gradient, depth, fromdepth, todepth, depthchange, counter, 
fromcount, tocount,
northing, easting, altitude, up/ceiling4, down/floor, left, right, 
ignore, ignoreall.


See Survex manual for details.

So trying this (from the survex manual v1.0.39)

data nosurvey from to
1	3

As found in the 2 sample files (the actual connection would require a 
large dataset to be sent)

The survex one produces a triangle, as I would expect the therion file 
gives the error


unsurveyed shot between unfixed stations

(adding a fix for station 1 and 3 gives the same error)

So this is acting differently from survex, or possibly does not work at 
all (or I just have got it wrong again!)

thanks

Andrew

PS expect an email on passage dimensions in centrelines, as that is 
really what I am working on, this was a little diversion





--===============7219595277033806020==
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="test.svx"
MIME-Version: 1.0

KmJlZ2luIHRlc3QKCipkYXRhIG5vcm1hbCBmcm9tIHRvIHRhcGUgY29tcGFzcyBjbGlubwoKMSAy
IDMgMCAwCjIgMyA0IDkwICAwCgoqZGF0YSBub3N1cnZleSBmcm9tIHRvCjEgMwoKKmVuZCB0ZXN0
Cg==

--===============7219595277033806020==
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="test.th"
MIME-Version: 1.0

ZW5jb2RpbmcgIHV0Zi04CnN1cnZleSB0ZXN0CmNlbnRyZWxpbmUKCmZpeCBzdGF0aW9uIDEgMCAw
IDAKZml4IHN0YXRpb24gMyA0IDMgMAoKZGF0YSBub3JtYWwgZnJvbSB0byB0YXBlIGNvbXBhc3Mg
Y2xpbm8KCjEgMiAzIDAgMAoyIDMgNCA5MCAgMAoKZGF0YSBub3N1cnZleSBmcm9tIHRvCjEgMwoK
ZW5kY2VudHJlbGluZQplbmRzdXJ2ZXkKCg==

--===============7219595277033806020==--


From andrew@wotcc.org.uk Wed Mar 23 20:44:26 2011
From: Andrew Atkinson <andrew@wotcc.org.uk>
To: therion@speleo.sk
Subject: Re: [Therion] data style problem
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:21:00 +0000
Message-ID: <4D8A562C.6050407@wotcc.org.uk>
In-Reply-To: <4D8A54AA.5070704@wotcc.org.uk>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6427340192642557539=="

--===============6427340192642557539==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

okay, I got the fix context wrong, so it just behaves different to survex.

I personally think the survex version is what is more useful, as vocal 
connections etc are not normally between 2 points that are fixed. Would 
that functionality be possible?

working th file attached

Andrew

On 23/03/11 20:14, Andrew Atkinson wrote:
> The Therion book p20 has this
>
> data <style> <readings order> ◃ set data style (normal, topofil, diving,
> cartesian,
> cylpolar, dimensions, nosurvey) and readings order. Reading is one of
> the following
> keywords: station, from, to, tape/length, [back]compass/[back]bearing,
> [back]clino/
> [back]gradient, depth, fromdepth, todepth, depthchange, counter,
> fromcount, tocount,
> northing, easting, altitude, up/ceiling4, down/floor, left, right,
> ignore, ignoreall.
>
>
> See Survex manual for details.
>
> So trying this (from the survex manual v1.0.39)
>
> data nosurvey from to
> 1 3
>
> As found in the 2 sample files (the actual connection would require a
> large dataset to be sent)
>
> The survex one produces a triangle, as I would expect the therion file
> gives the error
>
>
> unsurveyed shot between unfixed stations
>
> (adding a fix for station 1 and 3 gives the same error)
>
> So this is acting differently from survex, or possibly does not work at
> all (or I just have got it wrong again!)
>
> thanks
>
> Andrew
>
> PS expect an email on passage dimensions in centrelines, as that is
> really what I am working on, this was a little diversion
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Therion mailing list
> Therion@speleo.sk
> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion



--===============6427340192642557539==
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="test.th"
MIME-Version: 1.0

ZW5jb2RpbmcgIHV0Zi04CnN1cnZleSB0ZXN0CmNlbnRyZWxpbmUKCmZpeCAgMSAwIDAgMApmaXgg
IDMgNCAzIDAKCmRhdGEgbm9ybWFsIGZyb20gdG8gdGFwZSBjb21wYXNzIGNsaW5vCgoxIDIgMyAw
IDAKMiAzIDQgOTAgIDAKCmRhdGEgbm9zdXJ2ZXkgZnJvbSB0bwoxIDMKCmVuZGNlbnRyZWxpbmUK
ZW5kc3VydmV5Cgo=

--===============6427340192642557539==--


From lists@group-s.sk Thu Mar 24 15:31:57 2011
From: Stacho Mudrak <lists@group-s.sk>
To: therion@speleo.sk
Subject: Re: [Therion] data style problem
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:08:38 +0100
Message-ID: <AANLkTin8EjT8_bZSGOAun3Dhyj3ee8t2+omZe5baq9eU@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <4D8A562C.6050407@wotcc.org.uk>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8183153426310432620=="

--===============8183153426310432620==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Thanks Andrew for pointing out this problem. I have just added this
functionality, I hope I will publish new snapshot soon.

Best regards, S.

P.S. I am looking forward to email on passage dimensions in centrelines ;)

On 23 March 2011 21:21, Andrew Atkinson <andrew@wotcc.org.uk> wrote:

> okay, I got the fix context wrong, so it just behaves different to survex.
>
> I personally think the survex version is what is more useful, as vocal
> connections etc are not normally between 2 points that are fixed. Would that
> functionality be possible?
>
> working th file attached
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On 23/03/11 20:14, Andrew Atkinson wrote:
>
>> The Therion book p20 has this
>>
>> data <style> <readings order> ◃ set data style (normal, topofil, diving,
>> cartesian,
>> cylpolar, dimensions, nosurvey) and readings order. Reading is one of
>> the following
>> keywords: station, from, to, tape/length, [back]compass/[back]bearing,
>> [back]clino/
>> [back]gradient, depth, fromdepth, todepth, depthchange, counter,
>> fromcount, tocount,
>> northing, easting, altitude, up/ceiling4, down/floor, left, right,
>> ignore, ignoreall.
>>
>>
>> See Survex manual for details.
>>
>> So trying this (from the survex manual v1.0.39)
>>
>> data nosurvey from to
>> 1 3
>>
>> As found in the 2 sample files (the actual connection would require a
>> large dataset to be sent)
>>
>> The survex one produces a triangle, as I would expect the therion file
>> gives the error
>>
>>
>> unsurveyed shot between unfixed stations
>>
>> (adding a fix for station 1 and 3 gives the same error)
>>
>> So this is acting differently from survex, or possibly does not work at
>> all (or I just have got it wrong again!)
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> PS expect an email on passage dimensions in centrelines, as that is
>> really what I am working on, this was a little diversion
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Therion mailing list
>> Therion@speleo.sk
>> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Therion mailing list
> Therion@speleo.sk
> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
>
>



--===============8183153426310432620==
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html"
MIME-Version: 1.0

VGhhbmtzIEFuZHJldyBmb3IgcG9pbnRpbmcgb3V0IHRoaXMgcHJvYmxlbS4gSSBoYXZlIGp1c3Qg
YWRkZWQgdGhpcyBmdW5jdGlvbmFsaXR5LCBJIGhvcGUgSSB3aWxsIHB1Ymxpc2ggbmV3IHNuYXBz
aG90IHNvb24uPGJyPjxicj5CZXN0IHJlZ2FyZHMsIFMuPGJyPjxicj5QLlMuIEkgYW0gbG9va2lu
ZyBmb3J3YXJkIHRvIGVtYWlsIG9uIHBhc3NhZ2UgZGltZW5zaW9ucyBpbiBjZW50cmVsaW5lcyA7
KTxicj4KPGJyPjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX3F1b3RlIj5PbiAyMyBNYXJjaCAyMDExIDIxOjIx
LCBBbmRyZXcgQXRraW5zb24gPHNwYW4gZGlyPSJsdHIiPiZsdDs8YSBocmVmPSJtYWlsdG86YW5k
cmV3QHdvdGNjLm9yZy51ayI+YW5kcmV3QHdvdGNjLm9yZy51azwvYT4mZ3Q7PC9zcGFuPiB3cm90
ZTo8YnI+PGJsb2NrcXVvdGUgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX3F1b3RlIiBzdHlsZT0ibWFyZ2luOiAwcHQg
MHB0IDBwdCAwLjhleDsgYm9yZGVyLWxlZnQ6IDFweCBzb2xpZCByZ2IoMjA0LCAyMDQsIDIwNCk7
IHBhZGRpbmctbGVmdDogMWV4OyI+Cm9rYXksIEkgZ290IHRoZSBmaXggY29udGV4dCB3cm9uZywg
c28gaXQganVzdCBiZWhhdmVzIGRpZmZlcmVudCB0byBzdXJ2ZXguPGJyPgo8YnI+CkkgcGVyc29u
YWxseSB0aGluayB0aGUgc3VydmV4IHZlcnNpb24gaXMgd2hhdCBpcyBtb3JlIHVzZWZ1bCwgYXMg
dm9jYWwgY29ubmVjdGlvbnMgZXRjIGFyZSBub3Qgbm9ybWFsbHkgYmV0d2VlbiAyIHBvaW50cyB0
aGF0IGFyZSBmaXhlZC4gV291bGQgdGhhdCBmdW5jdGlvbmFsaXR5IGJlIHBvc3NpYmxlPzxicj4K
PGJyPgp3b3JraW5nIHRoIGZpbGUgYXR0YWNoZWQ8YnI+Cjxicj4KQW5kcmV3PGRpdj48ZGl2Pjwv
ZGl2PjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9Img1Ij48YnI+Cjxicj4KT24gMjMvMDMvMTEgMjA6MTQsIEFuZHJldyBB
dGtpbnNvbiB3cm90ZTo8YnI+CjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjxibG9ja3F1b3RlIGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9x
dW90ZSIgc3R5bGU9Im1hcmdpbjogMHB0IDBwdCAwcHQgMC44ZXg7IGJvcmRlci1sZWZ0OiAxcHgg
c29saWQgcmdiKDIwNCwgMjA0LCAyMDQpOyBwYWRkaW5nLWxlZnQ6IDFleDsiPjxkaXY+PGRpdj48
L2Rpdj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJoNSI+ClRoZSBUaGVyaW9uIGJvb2sgcDIwIGhhcyB0aGlzPGJyPgo8
YnI+CmRhdGEgJmx0O3N0eWxlJmd0OyAmbHQ7cmVhZGluZ3Mgb3JkZXImZ3Q7IOKXgyBzZXQgZGF0
YSBzdHlsZSAobm9ybWFsLCB0b3BvZmlsLCBkaXZpbmcsPGJyPgpjYXJ0ZXNpYW4sPGJyPgpjeWxw
b2xhciwgZGltZW5zaW9ucywgbm9zdXJ2ZXkpIGFuZCByZWFkaW5ncyBvcmRlci4gUmVhZGluZyBp
cyBvbmUgb2Y8YnI+CnRoZSBmb2xsb3dpbmc8YnI+CmtleXdvcmRzOiBzdGF0aW9uLCBmcm9tLCB0
bywgdGFwZS9sZW5ndGgsIFtiYWNrXWNvbXBhc3MvW2JhY2tdYmVhcmluZyw8YnI+CltiYWNrXWNs
aW5vLzxicj4KW2JhY2tdZ3JhZGllbnQsIGRlcHRoLCBmcm9tZGVwdGgsIHRvZGVwdGgsIGRlcHRo
Y2hhbmdlLCBjb3VudGVyLDxicj4KZnJvbWNvdW50LCB0b2NvdW50LDxicj4Kbm9ydGhpbmcsIGVh
c3RpbmcsIGFsdGl0dWRlLCB1cC9jZWlsaW5nNCwgZG93bi9mbG9vciwgbGVmdCwgcmlnaHQsPGJy
PgppZ25vcmUsIGlnbm9yZWFsbC48YnI+Cjxicj4KPGJyPgpTZWUgU3VydmV4IG1hbnVhbCBmb3Ig
ZGV0YWlscy48YnI+Cjxicj4KU28gdHJ5aW5nIHRoaXMgKGZyb20gdGhlIHN1cnZleCBtYW51YWwg
djEuMC4zOSk8YnI+Cjxicj4KZGF0YSBub3N1cnZleSBmcm9tIHRvPGJyPgoxIDM8YnI+Cjxicj4K
QXMgZm91bmQgaW4gdGhlIDIgc2FtcGxlIGZpbGVzICh0aGUgYWN0dWFsIGNvbm5lY3Rpb24gd291
bGQgcmVxdWlyZSBhPGJyPgpsYXJnZSBkYXRhc2V0IHRvIGJlIHNlbnQpPGJyPgo8YnI+ClRoZSBz
dXJ2ZXggb25lIHByb2R1Y2VzIGEgdHJpYW5nbGUsIGFzIEkgd291bGQgZXhwZWN0IHRoZSB0aGVy
aW9uIGZpbGU8YnI+CmdpdmVzIHRoZSBlcnJvcjxicj4KPGJyPgo8YnI+CnVuc3VydmV5ZWQgc2hv
dCBiZXR3ZWVuIHVuZml4ZWQgc3RhdGlvbnM8YnI+Cjxicj4KKGFkZGluZyBhIGZpeCBmb3Igc3Rh
dGlvbiAxIGFuZCAzIGdpdmVzIHRoZSBzYW1lIGVycm9yKTxicj4KPGJyPgpTbyB0aGlzIGlzIGFj
dGluZyBkaWZmZXJlbnRseSBmcm9tIHN1cnZleCwgb3IgcG9zc2libHkgZG9lcyBub3Qgd29yayBh
dDxicj4KYWxsIChvciBJIGp1c3QgaGF2ZSBnb3QgaXQgd3JvbmcgYWdhaW4hKTxicj4KPGJyPgp0
aGFua3M8YnI+Cjxicj4KQW5kcmV3PGJyPgo8YnI+ClBTIGV4cGVjdCBhbiBlbWFpbCBvbiBwYXNz
YWdlIGRpbWVuc2lvbnMgaW4gY2VudHJlbGluZXMsIGFzIHRoYXQgaXM8YnI+CnJlYWxseSB3aGF0
IEkgYW0gd29ya2luZyBvbiwgdGhpcyB3YXMgYSBsaXR0bGUgZGl2ZXJzaW9uPGJyPgo8YnI+Cjxi
cj4KPGJyPjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f
X19fX19fX19fXzxicj4KVGhlcmlvbiBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3Q8YnI+CjxhIGhyZWY9Im1haWx0bzpU
aGVyaW9uQHNwZWxlby5zayIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPlRoZXJpb25Ac3BlbGVvLnNrPC9hPjxi
cj4KPGEgaHJlZj0iaHR0cDovL21haWxtYW4uc3BlbGVvLnNrL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vdGhl
cmlvbiIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPmh0dHA6Ly9tYWlsbWFuLnNwZWxlby5zay9tYWlsbWFuL2xp
c3RpbmZvL3RoZXJpb248L2E+PGJyPgo8L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+Cjxicj5fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f
X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXzxicj4KVGhlcmlvbiBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3Q8
YnI+CjxhIGhyZWY9Im1haWx0bzpUaGVyaW9uQHNwZWxlby5zayI+VGhlcmlvbkBzcGVsZW8uc2s8
L2E+PGJyPgo8YSBocmVmPSJodHRwOi8vbWFpbG1hbi5zcGVsZW8uc2svbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5m
by90aGVyaW9uIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+aHR0cDovL21haWxtYW4uc3BlbGVvLnNrL21haWxt
YW4vbGlzdGluZm8vdGhlcmlvbjwvYT48YnI+Cjxicj48L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+PC9kaXY+PGJyPgo=

--===============8183153426310432620==--