<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">There are several problematic places:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">* join of scrap the_42_streamway-42streamp with scrap marniosa_upstream_4-upstream4p</div><div class="">First one begins in shape T, with two gaps, including part of passage upstream_4 and it is joined with streamway-42 with only one gap.<img apple-inline="yes" id="7726CA7C-9EEB-4491-BBE9-922FDFDC7B98" src="cid:AC39157D-36D2-4B8F-A98A-730782EC8DC9" class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="F9CDD7D9-33BB-4D59-8A41-8AD43D8AA7DE" src="cid:F21BF7A7-533E-4989-A9BE-F8E1C752DD38" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I removed presumed walls and the T part</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">* the scrap District_9_contd-1p has very strange beginning with some invisible walls with gaps and overlapping. I’m not sure therion will be able to interpret.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="4D5208A9-AE0E-4AE9-985B-3A15155C662F" src="cid:8FF0F0FD-F384-48F6-BD66-20A75CB33C4C" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Martin</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">31. 10. 2019 v 20:28, alastair gott <<a href="mailto:alastairgott@hotmail.com" class="">alastairgott@hotmail.com</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">For a conclusion, the end result is below.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span id="🙂" class="">🙂</span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span id="cid:2a4bc006-c07f-405f-b249-58129ee05837"><image.png></span><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="Signature" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><font class="ecxApple-style-span" size="3"><font face="Arial" class="">Regards,</font><font face="Arial" class=""><br class=""></font><font face="Arial" class="">Alastair Gott.</font><font face="Arial" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></font><font face="Arial" class=""><a href="mailto:AlastairGott@hotmail.com" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">AlastairGott@hotmail.com</a>,</font><font face="Arial" class=""><br class=""></font><font face="Arial" class="">M: 07931779380.</font></font><br class=""></div></div><div id="appendonsend" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline-block; width: 621.3125px;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""></span><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Therion <<a href="mailto:therion-bounces@speleo.sk" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">therion-bounces@speleo.sk</a>> on behalf of Bruce Mutton <<a href="mailto:bruce@tomo.co.nz" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">bruce@tomo.co.nz</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>31 October 2019 19:07<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'List for Therion users' <<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">therion@speleo.sk</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Therion] Horrific Warping between maps where I want my lines to join</font><div class=""> </div></div><div lang="EN-NZ" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="x_WordSection1"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">>…<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>don't join in the middle of a chamber...</span></div><div class=""><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Yes, an interesting thread. As Martin rightly says, joining should not be considered fully automatic, but with care it usually can be, with some provisos. </span><a href="https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/tips?s%5b%5d=join#joining_scraps_together" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/tips?s[]=join#joining_scraps_together</a></div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Joining in the middle of chambers or passages IS perfectly OK, indeed it is necessary every time there is a passage intersection. You just need to ensure that each affected passage has a gap in the wall to accept the join! <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">The only restriction I have found is that there should not be two wide openings opposite each other in the same scrap. In this scenario the scrap is ‘broken in half’ and while you will get a nice pdf output, the kml plan will not plot properly (unless this feature has been fixed recently).</span></div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">In Alistair’s example, the pair of green circles indicate a passage opening that can be joined. </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">The pair of brown circles show a passage opening on one side and no corresponding opening on the other. </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Hence Therion found the nearest opening it could in the scraps it was instructed to join, and in this particular case was trying to join the three nearest openings together. I predict that an acceptable result would be obtained if a gap were to be opened near the brown circles.</span></div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Bruce</span></div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span id="cid:image001.png@01D59088.D74A4B20"><image001.png></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""></span></div></div></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Therion mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="mailto:Therion@speleo.sk" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Therion@speleo.sk</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>