<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Rob, there are several examples of data organizations, you may find. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Another one is on wiki, published by Bruce.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Anyway, you may use folders structure, divide data and output and configuration files.</div><div class="">You may use index files to input in upper survey to generate maps of a system, for example index_th, index_th2, index_equate, index_join, … to divide and simplify data files.</div><div class="">Another possibility is to define several layout files and switch among them, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">etc.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Typical problem for newbies is they tune scraps and maps over one survey. When they want to connect two such data, they are in problem to rename station names in scraps and comment maps, etc.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The data file is typically as:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">survey_1 (…)</div><div class="">(…)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">centerline</div><div class="">(…)</div><div class="">endcenterline</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">input survey_1.th2 #this means that survey_1 „knows“ about station names and scrap names used in .th2 file </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">map survey_1.map (…)</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>survey_1_scrap_1</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>survey_1_scrap_2</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>…</div><div class="">endmap</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">endsurvey</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Simple solution is to input to upper survey level only .th files and use therion’s path for scraps and maps. In this case you don’t need any additional rename or comment.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">survey_12</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">input survey_1.th</div><div class="">input survey_2.th</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">#define map in survey_12:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">map survey_12.map (…)</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>survey_1.map@survey_1</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>survey_2.map@survey_2</div><div class="">endmap</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">#another map</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">map survey_12_dig.map (…)</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>survey_1_scrap_1@survey_1</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>survey_2_scrap_1@survey_2</div><div class="">endmap</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">endsurvey</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">m.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">24. 4. 2015 v 6:56, Robert Countess <<a href="mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com" class="">rob.countess@gmail.com</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thanks I’ll check them out.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class="">On Apr 23, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Atkinson <<a href="mailto:andrew@wotcc.org.uk" class="">andrew@wotcc.org.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">try<br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://cave-registry.org.uk/" class="">http://cave-registry.org.uk/</a><br class=""><br class="">loads to look at there, although not all of them are Therion.<br class=""><br class="">The one that I work mainly on<br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://www.cave-registry.org.uk/svn/CheddarCatchment/" class="">http://www.cave-registry.org.uk/svn/CheddarCatchment/</a><br class=""><br class="">Meets your 4 point below, don't think that there is any data that has<br class="">come out of Walls or Onstation. Some of it has come from compass, for<br class="">which I wrote a script, but it was quick and dirty, probably not much<br class="">use to others.<br class=""><br class="">Gough's and Reservoir have lots of different outputs from the same data,<br class="">with overlaps. For the output without the full understanding of Therion,<br class="">can be found here<br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://www.ubss.org.uk/cave_survey_archive.php#Cheddar" class="">http://www.ubss.org.uk/cave_survey_archive.php#Cheddar</a><br class=""><br class="">For a couple of slightly easier datasets, without the fancy outputs<br class="">(yet) there are<br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://www.cave-registry.org.uk/svn/WookeyCatchment/" class="">http://www.cave-registry.org.uk/svn/WookeyCatchment/</a><br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://cave-registry.org.uk/svn/Burrington/" class="">http://cave-registry.org.uk/svn/Burrington/</a><br class=""><br class="">All three are been actively worked on and with an SVN client you could<br class="">even replay how they have been built up. I do not, however, follow the<br class="">recommended way to arrange data, I have arranged it so every folder<br class="">should be stand alone, I find that it has the advantage that people<br class="">without the full understanding of Therion can work on the bits that they<br class="">are interested in, probably has some disadvantages to putting the whole<br class="">thing together, but I cannot say I have found it a problem<br class=""><br class="">Andrew<br class=""><br class="">On 23/04/15 20:57, Rob Countess wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Does anyone mind sending me one of your data sets. It would help me<br class="">understand the structure and organization.<br class="">I have data for several cave areas on Vancouver Island BC Canada in<br class="">Walls and On Station. I want to convert the whole mess.<br class="">My data sets are<br class=""><br class="">Glory 'ole/Arch Cave area<br class=""> -18 km in 4 main caves and a dozen or so smaller caves linked by<br class="">overland survey and GPS<br class=""> - longest caves are Arch (10.6 km km 3 entrances), Glory 'ole (2.7<br class="">km) Pellucidar (1.9 km) Resonance (1.8 km)<br class=""> - Arch cave is divided into several series based on streams and<br class="">distinct areas of the cave<br class=""> - 3 caves (Glory 'ole, Resonance, and Arch) overlap in plan view (I<br class="">want to produce a high level map with all three caves in different<br class="">colours, initially just line plots but eventually real maps)<br class=""><br class="">White Ridge<br class="">-7 km in 3 main caves and a half dozen smaller caves Linked by radio<br class="">location and GPS<br class=""><br class="">Larch Mountain<br class=""><br class="">2 km in 3 main caves and a dozen smaller caves linked by GPS<br class=""><br class="">I also have a friend that manages data for Weymer Creek (over 30 km in<br class="">over 100 caves, longest are 12 and 9 km lots of caves overlap in plan<br class="">view). I am trying to convince him to switch to Therion too.<br class=""><br class="">I am looking for an example data set that has<br class=""><br class="">1) multiple caves in one caving area<br class="">2) at least one cave large enough to be broken into series<br class="">3) overlapping layers in at least one of the caves<br class="">4) examples of files to produces different outputs with overlapping<br class="">caves or cave series in different colours on the same map.<br class=""><br class="">Thanks,<br class=""><br class="">Rob Countess<br class=""><br class="">PS If you don't want to spam the mailing list then send to:<br class=""><a href="mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com" class="">rob.countess@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com" class="">mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Xavier Pennec <<a href="mailto:Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr" class="">Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr" class="">mailto:Xavier.Pennec@inria.fr</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> if all stations have different name in Compass and Walls, could they<br class=""> be put in a single survey name-space?<br class=""> However, I agree that this is not the cleanest way as it is not<br class=""> respecting the structure of surveys that was previously defined.<br class=""><br class=""> Xavier<br class=""><br class=""> Le 22/04/2015 13:31, Martin Sluka a écrit :<br class=""><br class=""> The problem of Compass and Walls data conversion is generate<br class=""> list of equate commands. In Compass and Walls it is simple,<br class=""> because there couldn’t be two stations with identical name. But<br class=""> in Therion it is not a rule. So you should to do it manually.<br class=""><br class=""> in survey12 which is above survey1 and survey2:<br class=""><br class=""> equal a101@survey1 a101@survey2<br class=""><br class=""> m.s.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> 19. 4. 2015 v 10:20, Robert Countess <<a href="mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com" class="">rob.countess@gmail.com</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com" class="">mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com</a>>>:<br class=""><br class=""> <Glory.zip><br class=""><br class=""> This is from the Glory ‘ole caving area on Vancouver Island.<br class=""> I surveyed there from 1996 to 2007 in Arch Cave (10.5 km)<br class=""> Glory ‘ole (now 2.8 km) and Resonance (now 1.8 km). The area<br class=""> had been previously explored from 1980-1988 and some maps<br class=""> produced by hand. Much of the original data was lost. I<br class=""> resurveyed a few km in Arch cave and added 5 km but never<br class=""> completed a map due to the fact that loop closures were<br class=""> wreaking havoc with my walls and Illustrator attempts at a<br class=""> map. The original data in Arch was sketchy solo topofil<br class=""> survey. Resonance was extended by about 1km and an map<br class=""> produced but recently another half kilometre of passage has<br class=""> been added. Glory ‘ole was increased by about a kilometre<br class=""> but the main passage original survey 1.3 km needed to be<br class=""> resurveyed which led to no map. There are drafting leads in<br class=""> connection areas between the three caves. Two other caves<br class=""> Pellucidar and Tsulton Rising (cave dive) were managed by<br class=""> Pat Shaw, a cave diver.<br class=""><br class=""> I went off to medical school in 2007 and nobody picked up<br class=""> the torch as far as drawing maps. Now I’m back and we are at<br class=""> it again. I want Therion to keep the maps up to date with<br class=""> the exploration going forward.<br class=""><br class=""> The data is from 2004. I lost my 2007 copy due to 7 years of<br class=""> neglect and hard drive failure. I still have original notes<br class=""> of all exploration I was involved in but there are probably<br class=""> 3 km of passage that should be resurveyed.<br class=""><br class=""> I’m getting the hang of Therion and have got Resonance and<br class=""> Glory ‘ole centerline data converted over.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:54 AM, Martin Sluka<br class=""> <<a href="mailto:martinsluka@mac.com" class="">martinsluka@mac.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:martinsluka@mac.com" class="">mailto:martinsluka@mac.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Robert, may you send me an example of Walls data?<br class=""><br class=""> I was surprised how simple is to convert Compass data to<br class=""> Therion. As I may say, Compass data are small subset of<br class=""> Therion’s format so several simple copy/paste made the job.<br class=""><br class=""> m.s.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> 19. 4. 2015 v 6:41, Robert Countess<br class=""> <<a href="mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com" class="">rob.countess@gmail.com</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com" class="">mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com</a>>>:<br class=""><br class=""> Thanks for the help.<br class=""><br class=""> Generated my first pdf plan and profile with<br class=""> UTM/elevation and xvi file for drawing map. I love<br class=""> how automatic many of these things are. I am feeling<br class=""> hopeful about Therion now. I am stoked to finally<br class=""> finish the maps of Arch, Resonance, and Glory ‘ole<br class=""> and hopefully later this summer we will connect them<br class=""> all to make it at least Canada’s second longest<br class=""> Cave. If I get this working, I’m sure I can convince<br class=""> some other Canadian cavers to use Therion. Then<br class=""> again I can’t even get them to use Walls. Many are<br class=""> still using On Station. I think the speed and<br class=""> flexibility of output with win them over.<br class=""><br class=""> One tiny annoyance. One of the surveyors last names<br class=""> is von Vorkampff and Therion gives and “invalid name<br class=""> format” error message. I changed it to von_Vorkampff<br class=""> and bypassed the error but with sub par final map<br class=""> output - it says von.Vorkampff<br class=""><br class=""> Again, thanks for helping me out. I’m sure I’ll have<br class=""> more questions later.<br class=""><br class=""> Rob Countess<br class=""><br class=""> On Apr 18, 2015, at 2:49 PM,<br class=""> <a href="mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk" class="">therion-request@speleo.sk</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk" class="">mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Send Therion mailing list submissions to<br class=""> <a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" class="">therion@speleo.sk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" class="">mailto:therion@speleo.sk</a>><br class=""><br class=""> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide<br class=""> Web, visit<br class=""><br class=""> <a href="http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion" class="">http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion</a><br class=""> or, via email, send a message with subject or<br class=""> body 'help' to<br class=""> <a href="mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk" class="">therion-request@speleo.sk</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk" class="">mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk</a>><br class=""><br class=""> You can reach the person managing the list at<br class=""> <a href="mailto:therion-owner@speleo.sk" class="">therion-owner@speleo.sk</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:therion-owner@speleo.sk" class="">mailto:therion-owner@speleo.sk</a>><br class=""><br class=""> When replying, please edit your Subject line so<br class=""> it is more specific<br class=""> than "Re: Contents of Therion digest..."<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> Today's Topics:<br class=""><br class=""> 1. Re: having trouble, first time user (Wookey)<br class=""> 2. Re: Therion Digest, Vol 112, Issue 4, having<br class=""> trouble, first<br class=""> time user (Robert Countess) (Dave Clucas)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br class=""><br class=""> Message: 1<br class=""> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:26 +0100<br class=""> From: Wookey <<a href="mailto:wookey@wookware.org" class="">wookey@wookware.org</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:wookey@wookware.org" class="">mailto:wookey@wookware.org</a>>><br class=""> Subject: Re: [Therion] having trouble, first<br class=""> time user<br class=""> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" class="">therion@speleo.sk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" class="">mailto:therion@speleo.sk</a>><br class=""> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk" class="">20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk" class="">mailto:20150418220726.GF8982@halon.org.uk</a>>><br class=""> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br class=""><br class=""> +++ Robert Countess [2015-04-18 12:25 -0700]:<br class=""><br class=""> Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX<br class=""> installation instructions on wiki<br class=""><br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl<br class=""> -fsSL https://<br class=""> <a href="http://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install" class="">raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install</a><br class=""> <<a href="http://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install" class="">http://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install</a>>)"<br class=""><br class=""> [lots of dependency/package building]<br class=""><br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6<br class=""> files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds<br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion<br class=""> -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found<br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion<br class=""><br class=""> This is exactly the reason that 20 years ago<br class=""> binary linux<br class=""> distributions were invented, to replace the<br class=""> previous painful process<br class=""> of users downloading code and tools and<br class=""> dependencies and building<br class=""> them all until they got some software working.<br class=""> 'brew' attempts to<br class=""> automate this process but there are still a lot<br class=""> of ways it can go<br class=""> wrong.<br class=""><br class=""> Do Mac people not have a proper packaging system<br class=""> someone could make<br class=""> therion packages for?<br class=""><br class=""> _____________________________________________________<br class=""><br class=""> A program named WISH opened and window named<br class=""> therion compiler. The Status bar<br class=""> at the bottom read ?User interface is not<br class=""> active. To activate it open and<br class=""> existing file or create a new one."<br class=""> When I try to open a file with either the<br class=""> Wish file|open or the folder button<br class=""> I am unable to open any files in the Demo<br class=""> data set - they are all grey and<br class=""> cannot be selected.<br class=""><br class=""> I am a first time user. Previously used On<br class=""> Station and the Walls. I had data<br class=""> for 3 major caving areas in Walls totalling<br class=""> about 50 km of cave. I want to<br class=""> switch it all to Therion but if I can?t get<br class=""> the program to work then I?ll have<br class=""> to stick with Walls.<br class=""><br class=""> I'm sure we can get you going. We do have<br class=""> several mac users here, but<br class=""> I'm not one so can't really provide much help.<br class=""><br class=""> Can you get a command prompt? Can you run<br class=""> 'xtherion' from there?<br class=""> That's the user interface for drawing stuff up.<br class=""><br class=""> 'therion' is the compiler tool that processes<br class=""> the data. What happens<br class=""> if you run 'therion -v version'? Does that print<br class=""> out a version? or<br class=""> 'therion --print-init-file'?<br class=""><br class=""> If you can convert some of your (centreline)<br class=""> data (just using a text<br class=""> editor) you should be able process it using just<br class=""> 'therion'.<br class=""><br class=""> You will need xtherion in order to draw up cave<br class=""> sections.<br class=""><br class=""> Has anyone written a walls to therion conversion<br class=""> tool? I'm not aware of<br class=""> one.<br class=""><br class=""> Wookey<br class=""> --<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM<br class=""> <a href="http://wookware.org/" class="">http://wookware.org/</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> ------------------------------<br class=""><br class=""> Message: 2<br class=""> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 22:18:41 +0100<br class=""> From: Dave Clucas <<a href="mailto:dave.clucas@icloud.com" class="">dave.clucas@icloud.com</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:dave.clucas@icloud.com" class="">mailto:dave.clucas@icloud.com</a>>><br class=""> Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion Digest, Vol 112,<br class=""> Issue 4, having<br class=""> trouble, first time user (Robert Countess)<br class=""> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" class="">therion@speleo.sk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" class="">mailto:therion@speleo.sk</a>><br class=""> Message-ID:<br class=""> <<a href="mailto:2A55A0EF-15F8-414A-B2CB-0EA18192A198@icloud.com" class="">2A55A0EF-15F8-414A-B2CB-0EA18192A198@icloud.com</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:2A55A0EF-15F8-414A-B2CB-0EA18192A198@icloud.com" class="">mailto:2A55A0EF-15F8-414A-B2CB-0EA18192A198@icloud.com</a>>><br class=""> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br class=""><br class=""> To open an existing file start Terminal and type<br class=""> xtherion followed by the filename you wish to<br class=""> open. You may drag the filename from a Finder<br class=""> window.<br class=""><br class=""> Dave Clucas<br class=""> <a href="http://daveclucas.com/" class="">daveclucas.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://daveclucas.com/" class="">http://daveclucas.com</a>><br class=""> <<a href="http://daveclucas.com/" class="">http://daveclucas.com/</a>><br class=""> <a href="http://sarawak-caves.com/" class="">sarawak-caves.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://sarawak-caves.com/" class="">http://sarawak-caves.com</a>><br class=""> <<a href="http://sarawak-caves.com/" class="">http://sarawak-caves.com/</a>><br class=""> <a href="mailto:dave.clucas@icloud.com" class="">dave.clucas@icloud.com</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:dave.clucas@icloud.com" class="">mailto:dave.clucas@icloud.com</a>><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:daveclucas@icloud.com" class="">mailto:daveclucas@icloud.com</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:daveclucas@icloud.com" class="">mailto:daveclucas@icloud.com</a>>><br class=""><br class=""> Exploring the World - One cave at a time<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> On 18 Apr 2015, at 21:17,<br class=""> <a href="mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk" class="">therion-request@speleo.sk</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk" class="">mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Send Therion mailing list submissions to<br class=""> <a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" class="">therion@speleo.sk</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" class="">mailto:therion@speleo.sk</a>><br class=""><br class=""> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World<br class=""> Wide Web, visit<br class=""><br class=""> <a href="http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion" class="">http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion</a><br class=""> or, via email, send a message with subject<br class=""> or body 'help' to<br class=""> <a href="mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk" class="">therion-request@speleo.sk</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk" class="">mailto:therion-request@speleo.sk</a>><br class=""><br class=""> You can reach the person managing the list at<br class=""> <a href="mailto:therion-owner@speleo.sk" class="">therion-owner@speleo.sk</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:therion-owner@speleo.sk" class="">mailto:therion-owner@speleo.sk</a>><br class=""><br class=""> When replying, please edit your Subject line<br class=""> so it is more specific<br class=""> than "Re: Contents of Therion digest..."<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> Today's Topics:<br class=""><br class=""> 1. having trouble, first time user (Robert<br class=""> Countess)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br class=""><br class=""> Message: 1<br class=""> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:25:37 -0700<br class=""> From: Robert Countess<br class=""> <<a href="mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com" class="">rob.countess@gmail.com</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com" class="">mailto:rob.countess@gmail.com</a>>><br class=""> Subject: [Therion] having trouble, first<br class=""> time user<br class=""> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" class="">therion@speleo.sk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:therion@speleo.sk" class="">mailto:therion@speleo.sk</a>><br class=""> Message-ID:<br class=""> <<a href="mailto:3EF75C43-2B28-4525-A08F-FBD57383F1AF@gmail.com" class="">3EF75C43-2B28-4525-A08F-FBD57383F1AF@gmail.com</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:3EF75C43-2B28-4525-A08F-FBD57383F1AF@gmail.com" class="">mailto:3EF75C43-2B28-4525-A08F-FBD57383F1AF@gmail.com</a>>><br class=""> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br class=""><br class=""> Im using Mac OSX10.9. followed MacOSX<br class=""> installation instructions on wiki<br class=""><br class=""> Installed Mactex<br class=""> rebooted<br class=""><br class=""> Last login: Fri Apr 17 12:19:12 on console<br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ make<br class=""> xcode-select: note: no developer tools were<br class=""> found at '/Applications/Xcode.app',<br class=""> requesting install. Choose an option in the<br class=""> dialog to download the command line<br class=""> developer tools.<br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$<br class=""> [Restored]<br class=""> Last login: Sat Apr 18 09:14:48 on console<br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$<br class=""> [Restored]<br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ ruby -e "$(curl<br class=""> -fsSL<br class=""> <a href="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install" class="">https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install</a>)"<br class=""> ==> This script will install:<br class=""> /usr/local/bin/brew<br class=""> /usr/local/Library/...<br class=""> /usr/local/share/man/man1/brew.1<br class=""> ==> The following directories will be made<br class=""> group writable:<br class=""> /usr/local/.<br class=""> /usr/local/bin<br class=""> /usr/local/share<br class=""> /usr/local/share/man<br class=""> /usr/local/share/man/man1<br class=""> ==> The following directories will have<br class=""> their group set to admin:<br class=""> /usr/local/.<br class=""> /usr/local/bin<br class=""> /usr/local/share<br class=""> /usr/local/share/man<br class=""> /usr/local/share/man/man1<br class=""><br class=""> Press RETURN to continue or any other key to<br class=""> abort<br class=""> ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx<br class=""> /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share<br class=""> /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1<br class=""><br class=""> WARNING: Improper use of the sudo command<br class=""> could lead to data loss<br class=""> or the deletion of important system files.<br class=""> Please double-check your<br class=""> typing when using sudo. Type "man sudo" for<br class=""> more information.<br class=""><br class=""> To proceed, enter your password, or type<br class=""> Ctrl-C to abort.<br class=""><br class=""> Password:<br class=""> ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/chgrp admin<br class=""> /usr/local/. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share<br class=""> /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/share/man/man1<br class=""> ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/mkdir<br class=""> /Library/Caches/Homebrew<br class=""> ==> /usr/bin/sudo /bin/chmod g+rwx<br class=""> /Library/Caches/Homebrew<br class=""> ==> Downloading and installing Homebrew...<br class=""> remote: Counting objects: 3533, done.<br class=""> remote: Compressing objects: 100%<br class=""> (3387/3387), done.<br class=""> remote: Total 3533 (delta 34), reused 1514<br class=""> (delta 18), pack-reused 0<br class=""> Receiving objects: 100% (3533/3533), 2.65<br class=""> MiB | 1.55 MiB/s, done.<br class=""> Resolving deltas: 100% (34/34), done.<br class=""> From<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew" class="">https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew</a><br class=""> * [new branch] master -> origin/master<br class=""> HEAD is now at 681c6f3 txt2tags: modernize<br class=""> and add test<br class=""> ==> Installation successful!<br class=""> ==> Next steps<br class=""> Run `brew help` to get started<br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew help<br class=""> Example usage:<br class=""> brew [info | home | options ] [FORMULA...]<br class=""> brew install FORMULA...<br class=""> brew uninstall FORMULA...<br class=""> brew search [foo]<br class=""> brew list [FORMULA...]<br class=""> brew update<br class=""> brew upgrade [FORMULA...]<br class=""> brew pin/unpin [FORMULA...]<br class=""><br class=""> Troubleshooting:<br class=""> brew doctor<br class=""> brew install -vd FORMULA<br class=""> brew [--env | config]<br class=""><br class=""> Brewing:<br class=""> brew create [URL [--no-fetch]]<br class=""> brew edit [FORMULA...]<br class=""> open<br class=""> <a href="https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Formula-Cookbook.md" class="">https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Formula-Cookbook.md</a><br class=""><br class=""> Further help:<br class=""> man brew<br class=""> brew home<br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew update<br class=""> Already up-to-date.<br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew doctor<br class=""> Please note that these warnings are just<br class=""> used to help the Homebrew maintainers<br class=""> with debugging if you file an issue. If<br class=""> everything you use Homebrew for is<br class=""> working fine: please don't worry and just<br class=""> ignore them. Thanks!<br class=""><br class=""> Warning: Some directories in<br class=""> /usr/local/share/man aren't writable.<br class=""> This can happen if you "sudo make install"<br class=""> software that isn't managed<br class=""> by Homebrew. If a brew tries to add locale<br class=""> information to one of these<br class=""> directories, then the install will fail<br class=""> during the link step.<br class=""> You should probably `chown` them:<br class=""><br class=""> /usr/local/share/man/de<br class=""> /usr/local/share/man/de/man1<br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew tap<br class=""> homebrew/science<br class=""> ==> Tapping Homebrew/science<br class=""> Cloning into<br class=""> '/usr/local/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-science'...<br class=""> remote: Counting objects: 10005, done.<br class=""> remote: Compressing objects: 100% (15/15), done.<br class=""> remote: Total 10005 (delta 5), reused 0<br class=""> (delta 0), pack-reused 9990<br class=""> Receiving objects: 100% (10005/10005), 2.68<br class=""> MiB | 1.56 MiB/s, done.<br class=""> Resolving deltas: 100% (5584/5584), done.<br class=""> Checking connectivity... done.<br class=""> Tapped 475 formulae (501 files, 5.1M)<br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ brew install<br class=""> <a href="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/un1x86/homebrew-science/therion/therion.rb" class="">https://raw.githubusercontent.com/un1x86/homebrew-science/therion/therion.rb</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Installing dependencies for therion:<br class=""> libpng, freetype, xz, libtool, j<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: libpng<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bot" class="">https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bot</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Pouring<br class=""> libpng-1.6.17.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/libpng/1.6.17: 17<br class=""> files, 1.3M<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: freetype<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bo" class="">https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bo</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Pouring<br class=""> freetype-2.5.5.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/freetype/2.5.5: 60<br class=""> files, 2.6M<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: xz<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.t" class="">https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.t</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Pouring xz-5.2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/xz/5.2.1: 59 files, 1.7M<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: libtool<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bot" class="">https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bot</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Pouring<br class=""> libtool-2.4.6.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz<br class=""> ==> Caveats<br class=""> In order to prevent conflicts with Apple's<br class=""> own libtool we have prepended a "g"<br class=""> so, you have instead: glibtool and glibtoolize.<br class=""> ==> Summary<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtool/2.4.6: 69<br class=""> files, 3.8M<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: jpeg<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2" class="">https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2</a>.<br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Pouring jpeg-8d.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/jpeg/8d: 18 files, 780K<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: imagemagick<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/imagemagick-6.9.1-1.maveric" class="">https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/imagemagick-6.9.1-1.maveric</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Pouring<br class=""> imagemagick-6.9.1-1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/imagemagick/6.9.1-1:<br class=""> 1442 files, 22M<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency:<br class=""> lcdf-typetools<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="http://www.lcdf.org/type/lcdf-typetools-2.104.tar.gz" class="">http://www.lcdf.org/type/lcdf-typetools-2.104.tar.gz</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> ./configure<br class=""> --prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104<br class=""> --without-kpaths<br class=""> ==> make install<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/lcdf-typetools/2.104:<br class=""> 29 files, 4.1M, built in 20 seconds<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: cmake<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottl" class="">https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottl</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Pouring cmake-3.2.2.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.2.2: 1847<br class=""> files, 32M<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: boost<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bott" class="">https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bott</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Pouring boost-1.57.0.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/boost/1.57.0: 10572<br class=""> files, 439M<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: fontconfig<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks" class="">https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Pouring<br class=""> fontconfig-2.11.1.mavericks.bottle.3.tar.gz<br class=""> ==><br class=""> /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1/bin/fc-cache<br class=""> -frv<br class=""> xtherion?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> /usr/local/Cellar/fontconfig/2.11.1: 448<br class=""> files, 3.6M<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: szip<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.t" class="">https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.t</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Pouring szip-2.1.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/szip/2.1: 9 files, 136K<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: hdf5<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles-science/hdf5-1.8.14.maveric" class="">https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles-science/hdf5-1.8.14.maveric</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Pouring<br class=""> hdf5-1.8.14.mavericks.bottle.2.tar.gz<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/hdf5/1.8.14: 174 files, 11M<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: libtiff<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bot" class="">https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bot</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Pouring<br class=""> libtiff-4.0.3.mavericks.bottle.tar.gz<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/libtiff/4.0.3: 254<br class=""> files, 3.8M<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: vtk<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="http://www.vtk.org/files/release/6.2/VTK-6.2.0.tar.gz" class="">http://www.vtk.org/files/release/6.2/VTK-6.2.0.tar.gz</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE=<br class=""> -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_RELEASE= -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PR<br class=""> ==> make<br class=""> xtherion<br class=""> ==> make install<br class=""> ==> Caveats<br class=""> Even without the --with-qt option, you can<br class=""> display native VTK render windows<br class=""> from python. Alternatively, you can<br class=""> integrate the RenderWindowInteractor<br class=""> in PyQt, PySide, Tk or Wx at runtime. Read more:<br class=""> import vtk.qt4; help(vtk.qt4) or import<br class=""> vtk.wx; help(vtk.wx)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> Python modules have been installed and<br class=""> Homebrew's site-packages is not<br class=""> in your Python sys.path, so you will not be<br class=""> able to import the modules<br class=""> this formula installed. If you plan to<br class=""> develop with these modules,<br class=""> please run:<br class=""> mkdir -p<br class=""> /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages<br class=""> echo 'import site;<br class=""> site.addsitedir("/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages")'<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> /Users/Rob/Library/Python/2.7/lib/python/site-packages/homebrew.pth<br class=""> ==> Summary<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/vtk/6.2.0: 3186 files,<br class=""> 125M, built in 21.4 minutes<br class=""> ==> Installing therion dependency: wxmac<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottl" class="">https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottl</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> Pouring<br class=""> wxmac-3.0.2.mavericks.bottle.9.tar.gz<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/wxmac/3.0.2: 777 files, 41M<br class=""> ==> Installing therion<br class=""> ==> Downloading<br class=""> <a href="http://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-5.3.16.tar.gz" class="">http://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/therion-5.3.16.tar.gz</a><br class=""> ########################################################################<br class=""> 100.0%<br class=""> ==> make config-macosx<br class=""> ==> make<br class=""> ==> make install<br class=""> ? /usr/local/Cellar/therion/5.3.16: 6<br class=""> files, 4.4M, built in 50 seconds<br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherionxtherion<br class=""> -bash: xtherionxtherion: command not found<br class=""> Roberts-MacBook-Pro:~ Rob$ xtherion<br class=""><br class=""> _____________________________________________________<br class=""><br class=""> A program named WISH opened and window named<br class=""> therion compiler. The Status bar at the<br class=""> bottom read ?User interface is not active.<br class=""> To activate it open and existing file or<br class=""> create a new one."<br class=""> When I try to open a file with either the<br class=""> Wish file|open or the folder button I am<br class=""> unable to open any files in the Demo data<br class=""> set - they are all grey and cannot be selected.<br class=""><br class=""> I am a first time user. Previously used On<br class=""> Station and the Walls. I had data for 3<br class=""> major caving areas in Walls totalling about<br class=""> 50 km of cave. 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